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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    If some people want to celebrate it, fine. If they want to use their state taxes to do so? Better. The federal government of the United States of America should not give a single dollar to celebrate a holiday for a people who didn't want to be part of it. We don't give money to the Japanese so they can celebrate their fallen soldiers, do we?
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If some people want to celebrate it, fine. If they want to use their state taxes to do so? Better. The federal government of the United States of America should not give a single dollar to celebrate a holiday for a people who didn't want to be part of it. We don't give money to the Japanese so they can celebrate their fallen soldiers, do we?
    do we spend any federal dollars for the holiday as it stands now?

    personally, I would have little problem spending some dollars for confederate soldiers memorials or what have you. it was a pivotal event in US History, many people were killed, it was the deadliest war involving americans, and many people in the US today have direct ancestors who fought for one or both sides.

    Historically, Dixie is just as significant as Battle Hymm of the Republic....
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    do we spend any federal dollars for the holiday as it stands now?
    I couldn't tell you. I simply posted a requisite for them celebrating it. They have to ensure that not a single federal dollar is used for that purpose. It's pretty cut and dry.

    personally, I would have little problem spending some dollars for confederate soldiers memorials or what have you. it was a pivotal event in US History, many people were killed, it was the deadliest war involving americans, and many people in the US today have direct ancestors who fought for one or both sides.

    Historically, Dixie is just as significant as Battle Hymm of the Republic....
    That's great. WWII was a pivotal moment for the US. We don't go around creating federally funded holidays for Nazis. Do we?
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I couldn't tell you. I simply posted a requisite for them celebrating it. They have to ensure that not a single federal dollar is used for that purpose. It's pretty cut and dry.



    That's great. WWII was a pivotal moment for the US. We don't go around creating federally funded holidays for Nazis. Do we?
    there is no federally funded holiday for confederates to the best of my knowledge.

    well no they were germans, not Americans. it wasn't an internal conflict.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I was born and raised in the South. I love the South. I love southern culture. I love southern food. I think we have the best accents. I know we have the best authors. My home state of Arkansas is easily one of the most beautiful states in the nation.

    That all said, I think its ridiculous to honor the confederacy in any way. The south seceded for one reason: The right of southern states to have slavery. Slavery, one of the most evil institutions man has ever conceived of, is what the south fought for. Why in the hell should that be honored in any way? We don't honor Nazi Germany or the soldiers that fought for it. There ought not be any memorials to the former of empire of Japan. Hell I have a great, great, great grandfather that has a confederate monument dedicated to him in Tennessee. That is wrong. Regardless of any honor he had in the field of battle, he fought for an evil cause. As southerners we just need to admit that we were in the wrong during the Civil War.
    Slavery was legal in several union states as well, so is it wrong to have memorials to union soldiers? or soldiers of the American Revolution? or the War of 1812 since we had slavery as a nation in those conflicts?
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    there is no federally funded holiday for confederates to the best of my knowledge.
    Good. There shouldn't be either and if states want to have a celebration for that? That's fine. With strict scrutiny over whose dollars are going towards that.

    well no they were germans, not Americans. it wasn't an internal conflict.
    In practice, the South put in place a new government, and saw itself as a separate political entity from the US. So what we're left with is: it was an internal conflict as far as the North was concerned, but the South existed and saw itself as a separate entity. They didn't see their soldiers or their people as being part of the United States of America. Why should anyone else? No, EMN. There is absolutely no reason to celebrate them.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Did Confederate Memorial Day close government offices in your state today?






    Why are you wanting to honor people who killed more than three hundred thousand Americans?
    If the south wants to remember their "heroes," then they should be allowed to. That said, if you're honoring people who fought chiefly for the right to own other people as chattel, you should probably rethink your values.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good. There shouldn't be either and if states want to have a celebration for that? That's fine. With strict scrutiny over whose dollars are going towards that.



    In practice, the South put in place a new government, and saw itself as a separate political entity from the US. So what we're left with is: it was an internal conflict as far as the North was concerned, but the South existed and saw itself as a separate entity. They didn't see their soldiers or their people as being part of the United States of America. Why should anyone else? No, EMN. There is absolutely no reason to celebrate them.
    and the North won, ergo internal conflict.

    We should memorialize Americans killed in conflict. there is no reason to marginalize over half a million dead and pretend nothing ever happened. honoring killed confederate soldiers is not honoring the political cause. you're probably the same person who would've been spitting on Vietnam veterans 40 years ago with that attitude. it is sometimes appropriate to separate politics from people.

    remember, the south was brought back, slavery was abolished, and also we chose not to prosecute people for treason as a result of the war, and allowed each of the states to return.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Good. There shouldn't be either and if states want to have a celebration for that? That's fine. With strict scrutiny over whose dollars are going towards that.



    In practice, the South put in place a new government, and saw itself as a separate political entity from the US. So what we're left with is: it was an internal conflict as far as the North was concerned, but the South existed and saw itself as a separate entity. They didn't see their soldiers or their people as being part of the United States of America. Why should anyone else? No, EMN. There is absolutely no reason to celebrate them.
    A lot of confederate soldiers were drafted, and didn't enter the army willingly.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    A lot of confederate soldiers were drafted, and didn't enter the army willingly.
    That is true, and there were also a lot who were just poor people who wanted a decent week's wages, and didn't care how they got it.

    The American Civil War was a disgustingly bloody conflict. But it was fought for one reason and one reason only -- preservation of slavery. While I recognize the right of southern states to honor their dead from that terrible conflict, I question the reason why, since the south was completely in the wrong on that and, thank whatever deity you want, the north won.
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