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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Let's say that Texas passes an amendment to their state constitution that legalized pedophilia. The federal courts would step in of course and invalidate the amendment. In response let's say the state of Texas secedes from the United States to preserve their "state right" to legalized pedophilia. After Texas gets its ass kicked and is brought back into the United States should there be memorials to those that fought for Texas against the United States?

    Seriously that is the moral equivalency here. Seceding from the union to preserve the institution of slavery is the moral equivalent of seceding from the union to preserve child rape. I mean what kind of people then come back and argue "well its their constitutional right to secede..."
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Let's say that Texas passes an amendment to their state constitution that legalized pedophilia. The federal courts would step in of course and invalidate the amendment. In response let's say the state of Texas secedes from the United States to preserve their "state right" to legalized pedophilia. After Texas gets its ass kicked and is brought back into the United States should there be memorials to those that fought for Texas against the United States?

    Seriously that is the moral equivalency here. Seceding from the union to preserve the institution of slavery is the moral equivalent of seceding from the union to preserve child rape. I mean what kind of people then come back and argue "well its their constitutional right to secede..."
    Your argument fails on the grounds that Texas would win that war and send you running back home with your tails between your legs.

    Don't mess with Texas

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    I don't give a damn what holidays states have...... if they want to honor their dead, fine by me.

    as for the argument of "..but they weren't Americans" ..that's pretty silly.
    the Union never recognized the CSA.. it considered all states and their inhabitants to be American citizens.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't give a damn what holidays states have...... if they want to honor their dead, fine by me.

    as for the argument of "..but they weren't Americans" ..that's pretty silly.
    the Union never recognized the CSA.. it considered all states and their inhabitants to be American citizens.
    when the south left the union, the federal government claimed THERE WAS NO LEGAL SECESSION..

    when the war was over the north stated the south seceded.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Let's say that Texas passes an amendment to their state constitution that legalized pedophilia. The federal courts would step in of course and invalidate the amendment. In response let's say the state of Texas secedes from the United States to preserve their "state right" to legalized pedophilia. After Texas gets its ass kicked and is brought back into the United States should there be memorials to those that fought for Texas against the United States?

    Seriously that is the moral equivalency here. Seceding from the union to preserve the institution of slavery is the moral equivalent of seceding from the union to preserve child rape. I mean what kind of people then come back and argue "well its their constitutional right to secede..."
    pedophilia isn't illegal anywhere in the USA...

    ...and pedophilia does not equate to child rape.

    just sayin'...


    the problem with your argument is that secession maybe sought for various reasons.... one need not agree with or support the reason it's sought while simultaneously supporting secession itself.
    for example, one can be totally against slavery, and still support the southern states seceding.... inversely, one could have supported slavery, while not supporting the right for the southern states to secede.
    it's worthy to mention that even before Southerners started calling for secession.... the big voices calling for secession came from the abolitionist movement itself.

    anther example is the New England federalist threatening secession over the Louisiana purchase... does opposing succession inherently means one opposes Louisiana?

    in any event, it's not wise to conflate the mechanism of disunion with the reasoning behind it as if they are insepearable

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    when the south left the union, the federal government claimed THERE WAS NO LEGAL SECESSION..

    when the war was over the north stated the south seceded.
    have cake, eat it too.

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Texas would win that war and send you running back home with your tails between your legs.

    Yeah, like it did 150 years ago when it had 10 other states helping.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Did Confederate Memorial Day close government offices in your state today?






    Why are you wanting to honor people who killed more than three hundred thousand Americans?
    The confederates who died were Americans likewise.

    it wasn't "killed" like they slaughtered people, it was a war with bullets flying on both sides, the North committed some real atrocities as well, as did the south.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    I don't consider Wikipedia the best source but since it's already been cited a couple times in this thread...

    The holiday, which is observed every year on the last Monday of May, was formerly known as Decoration Day and originated after the American Civil War to commemorate the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the war.
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    Call it hypocrisy but I have no problem honoring someone who made the ultimate sacrifice for their cause, regardless whether I support that cause.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by CHuDWah View Post
    Yeah, like it did 150 years ago when it had 10 other states helping.
    Did Union troops ever occupy Texas? No. They tried, and tried, and tried, and Texas whooped Union butt every single time.

    Texas in the American Civil War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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