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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    UUUUUUUUUUUUGHUSIACBNFBKHDA8BSDV

    Fine, I'll give you the link so you can see what they said exactly.

    Texas v. White - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede. In 1850 the state of Texas received $10,000,000 in federal government bonds in settlement of boundary claims. In 1861 the state seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. In 1862 the confederationist government of the state transferred the bonds to several private individuals in payment for Confederate military supplies. After the Civil War the Reconstruction state government filed a suit in the Supreme Court seeking to recover the bonds, then held by citizens of various states.

    The suit contended that the transfer of the bonds was illegal because the bonds were not signed by the governor, as required by federal law. The defendants contended that, while a state may bring a suit in the Supreme Court, Texas had no such right in this case because it had seceded and, therefore, the federal law was not applicable at the time the bonds were transferred.

    The Supreme Court held that the intention of the Confederate States to secede meant that they had only temporarily lost privileges of Union membership but had not lost membership itself.

    Writing for the court, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase commented that the federal Constitution “in all its provisions looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” Thus, the Supreme Court decreed by law what the Union’s Civil War victory had effected by force, namely, the principle that no state may secede from the Union.


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    ?????????????????????? So IS THIS YOUR point ??????????????????????????

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    to be clear..... "pursuit of happiness" has been translated into ..property HAS BEEN BY WHOM?

    if you are asking, do the people have a right to alter or abolish their government, ..then yes it is a right of the people to do that.
    So where's that translated into the Constitution? ^^^^^^

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
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    Texas v. White, (1869), U.S. Supreme Court case in which it was held that the United States is “an indestructible union” from which no state can secede. In 1850 the state of Texas received $10,000,000 in federal government bonds in settlement of boundary claims. In 1861 the state seceded from the Union and joined the Confederacy. In 1862 the confederationist government of the state transferred the bonds to several private individuals in payment for Confederate military supplies. After the Civil War the Reconstruction state government filed a suit in the Supreme Court seeking to recover the bonds, then held by citizens of various states.

    The suit contended that the transfer of the bonds was illegal because the bonds were not signed by the governor, as required by federal law. The defendants contended that, while a state may bring a suit in the Supreme Court, Texas had no such right in this case because it had seceded and, therefore, the federal law was not applicable at the time the bonds were transferred.

    The Supreme Court held that the intention of the Confederate States to secede meant that they had only temporarily lost privileges of Union membership but had not lost membership itself.

    Writing for the court, Chief Justice Salmon P. Chase commented that the federal Constitution “in all its provisions looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.” Thus, the Supreme Court decreed by law what the Union’s Civil War victory had effected by force, namely, the principle that no state may secede from the Union.


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    Have you not seen anything ernst barkmann has posted?

    He states that states have the right to unilaterally secede. I'm correcting his mistake.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Have you not seen anything ernst barkmann has posted?

    He states that states have the right to unilaterally secede. I'm correcting his mistake.
    Sorry about that. My last line "So what's your point?" WAS MEANT TO SAY: So is this your point? Meaning to point out that The SC said NO STATE MAY SECEDE!

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    [QUOTE=SlevinKelevra;1064571839]So if Texas secedes and calls itself the Texasistan neoCaliphate of America, you'd stall call its citizens Americans?[/QUOTEe

    Texas is seceding? Nah, that isn't true. Stop teasing me!

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    So if Texas secedes and calls itself the Texasistan neoCaliphate of America, you'd stall call its citizens Americans?
    Texas is seceding? Nah, that isn't true. Stop teasing me!
    Rick Perry wishes it was. But he's now spending too much time in court defending himself against criminal charges for abusing his power as governor...

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So where's that translated into the Constitution? ^^^^^^



    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    the 5th is saying the federal government shall not deprived anyone of their rights [natural rights] without due process


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    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    the 14th is saying no state shall abridge the privileges and immunities and the rights[natural rights] of any person without due process
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    We shouldn't honor traitors who broke free from the State to ensure that they could continue to engage in the most heinous institution in the country's history.
    You're talkig about George Washington and his rebels, right?

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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    If a State or town wishes to have such a holiday...why not? Last I knew the declaring of a holiday is not restricted to just the federal government. And its their choice.
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    Re: Should Confederate Memorial Day(s) exist?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    Amendment V

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    the 5th is saying the federal government shall not deprived anyone of their rights [natural rights] without due process


    AMENDMENT XIV


    Section 1.
    All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    the 14th is saying no state shall abridge the privileges and immunities and the rights[natural rights] of any person without due process
    And the irony of your argument is the entire reason why the south seceded from the union was so that they could preserve an evil institution that deprived an entire race of people of life, liberty, and property.
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