View Poll Results: Should store owner be able to use deadly force against looters?

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  • Yes, you can defend the interior of your property with deadly force

    27 87.10%
  • No, even if it destroys the owner & family, property can not be defended

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  • Maybe, it depends on the level of actual harm to the owner if looted

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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Quote the law that assures everyone has free insurance and free cancer treatment? Neither of those exist whatsoever.
    I don't know where you got the word "free" from but any store owner in his right mind has insurance, and you're not going to get refused cancer treatment by reason of poverty, you'll just get billed to heck afterwards.

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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Are you certain that isn't legal (firearm, not machine gun) in every state? I suppose if there was a cot in the back the owner could claim it also is one of his/her "residence."
    Oh, it's perfectly legal to have firearms. (no, not machine guns). I'm not sure it's really legal to shoot people in defense of property, however. I suppose if they were standing in the door of their store and a mob of thugs was closing in, they could plead self defense.

    But, I'm not sure that they would be found innocent.
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, it's perfectly legal to have firearms. (no, not machine guns). I'm not sure it's really legal to shoot people in defense of property, however. I suppose if they were standing in the door of their store and a mob of thugs was closing in, they could plead self defense.

    But, I'm not sure that they would be found innocent.
    actually a mob descending onto your store is proper grounds to light them up assuming they have started smashing the windows etc. the disparate numbers alone justify serious firepower.

    Mobs attacking a store should be shot down. Its a win win for society and the innocent owners

    BTW people are not FOUND INNOCENT

    they are presumed innocent until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

    if the jury fails to find that, their presumption of innocence remains intact
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If it were up to me, I'd authorize him to use a machine gun to shoot the cockroaches who think they have an excuse to riot and burn.

    But, that's just me.

    The law doesn't allow this, unfortunately.
    It just might, dpending upon your state's law:

    Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
    A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

    (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

    (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

    (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

    (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

    (3) he reasonably believes that:

    (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

    (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Oh, it's perfectly legal to have firearms. (no, not machine guns). I'm not sure it's really legal to shoot people in defense of property, however. I suppose if they were standing in the door of their store and a mob of thugs was closing in, they could plead self defense.

    But, I'm not sure that they would be found innocent.
    In Texas they would stand a very, very good chance of not being found guilty.

    See post #14 in this thread.
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Right of self-defense in Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    According to Wikipedia, it would not be lawful for a person to use deadly force against commercial burglars in Maryland.

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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually a mob descending onto your store is proper grounds to light them up assuming they have started smashing the windows etc. the disparate numbers alone justify serious firepower.

    Mobs attacking a store should be shot down. Its a win win for society and the innocent owners

    BTW people are not FOUND INNOCENT

    they are presumed innocent until they are found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt

    if the jury fails to find that, their presumption of innocence remains intact
    A distinction worth noting.

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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    I may not agree with automatically using deadly for for every instance of looting but US law says it is legal so I had to pick option number one. Looters are cowards who loot the property of others because they want to get something that they are not entitled too because they cannot or do not want to pay for it.

    Looting is a serious and cowardly crime and if you do that in the US you risk getting shot, it is just that simple.
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Right of self-defense in Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    According to Wikipedia, it would not be lawful for a person to use deadly force against commercial burglars in Maryland.
    Maybe. That would depend on whether you could convince a jury that you had reasonable fear of great bodily harm (classical self defense case). On the basis of protecting just your property you would be convicted if outside of your "castle".
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    Re: Store owners protecting their store against looters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    Right of self-defense in Maryland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    According to Wikipedia, it would not be lawful for a person to use deadly force against commercial burglars in Maryland.
    the way it is going, the only people with firearms in Md are minions of the government and criminals
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    why would any sane person want to repeal the second (Amendment).
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    Why would any sane person not want to?

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