View Poll Results: Is banning felons from voting constitutional?

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  • Yes. Felons should lose their right to vote under the constitution during and after incarceration.

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  • Felons constitutionally lose their right to vote only during incarceration.

    15 44.12%
  • There is no constitutional justification to ban felons from voting during or after incarceration

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Thread: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chomsky View Post
    There's incarceration mechanisms for dealing with repeat offenders. I'm not concerned.

    But I do believe strongly in not limiting rights to my fellow Americans.

    We can't see fear around every corner, and use that as rationale to limit each-other's rights.
    I believe strongly in that as well. But giving a criminal X number of chances? Na.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    I believe strongly in that as well. But giving a criminal X number of chances? Na.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Deciding who gets to vote is left (with very few exceptions) up to the States. If they don't want to let Felons vote, they don't have to.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    For those who are in here arguing that the Felons, upon leaving prison, have full rights returned to them (they do not), where do you stand on their 2nd Amendment rights?
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    For those who are in here arguing that the Felons, upon leaving prison, have full rights returned to them (they do not), where do you stand on their 2nd Amendment rights?
    They should be restored with all other rights.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    For those who are in here arguing that the Felons, upon leaving prison, have full rights returned to them (they do not), where do you stand on their 2nd Amendment rights?
    Returned to them as well. If it was a violent felony, then after their probationary period.

    If they are likely to continue to be violent and break the law...they'll get guns anyway. If they are rehabilitated, then why cant they have their rights back? They paid their debt to society.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Returned to them as well. If it was a violent felony, then after their probationary period.

    If they are likely to continue to be violent and break the law...they'll get guns anyway. If they are rehabilitated, then why cant they have their rights back? They paid their debt to society.
    1. you don't have a right to vote.
    2. you do have a right to bear arms.

    3. nonetheless, if you are a felon, you have demonstrated that, given freedom of action, you will abuse it. That is why society should continue to limit you.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. you don't have a right to vote.
    2. you do have a right to bear arms.

    3. nonetheless, if you are a felon, you have demonstrated that, given freedom of action, you will abuse it. That is why society should continue to limit you.
    And you are also meted out punishment appropriate to your crime. And then done with it. Released and part of society again. Paid that debt.

    Loads of violent, dangerous people are never jailed and go on offending. Innocent people are imprisoned and serve unwarranted sentences. If you are not safe for society when released, then you should not be released. Firearms are easy to get....it's punitive...not constructive...to permanently remove their rights. Judgemental and actually non-productive to not provide incentives to people to rehabilitate themselves.

    And your question was specifically about the 2A, not voting.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. you don't have a right to vote.
    2. you do have a right to bear arms.

    3. nonetheless, if you are a felon, you have demonstrated that, given freedom of action, you will abuse it. That is why society should continue to limit you.
    Not necessarily. "Will" is too broad to be accurate. One's individual felony could be a one-time thing due to unusual circumstances that would never happen again, and never would have happened to begin with in other circumstances.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And you are also meted out punishment appropriate to your crime. And then done with it. Released and part of society again. Paid that debt.
    Sure - to an extent. But you've also indicated that you are a danger at some level to society around you. We should not enable you in being a greater danger.

    Example: Joe and Cindy are going through an ugly divorce. Joe accuses Cindy of cheating on him (he cheated on her, projection accusations are common), and they get into a physical altercation. Cindy calls the cops, and Joe is forced from the house. Joe begins to threaten Cindy for ruining his life, at one point telling her that if she tries to steal their daughter, Sarah, he will kill her. The proceedings are going badly for Joe, and so he takes Sarah from School. He drives her to his Aunt's the two states over, where he assumes he will not be found, and calls Cindy to let her know that he's going to stop her from stealing his child, and t if she knows what's good for her she won't come looking. Joe is caught and, after a fight with the police, arrested. He goes to jail, he's a felon.

    When he gets out, Joe should in no way be enabled by society to have the power to threaten Cindy. That includes allowing him to buy guns. It can also include limiting where he can live, how close he can come to Cindy or his daughter, his ability to contact them, etc..

    Loads of violent, dangerous people are never jailed and go on offending
    Yup. And that's a bad thing.

    If you are not safe for society when released, then you should not be released
    Now you aren't imprisoning people for their crimes, but rather because you think they are possibly dangerous? The Justice system doesn't work like that. That's why, for example, we don't let people with sexual crimes live next to schools, but we also don't keep them locked up for the rest of their life. This isn't an avocation for human rights, it's an avocation for a sharp curtailment of human rights.

    Firearms are easy to get....it's punitive...not constructive...to permanently remove their rights. Judgemental and actually non-productive to not provide incentives to people to rehabilitate themselves.
    if we wanted to construct a program that would allow them to build and demonstrate rehabilitation over time, I could see that being tied to a series of incentives on things like voting, gun ownership, etc. But "wasn't powerful enough or fast enough or smart enough to stop the state from catching and punishing you for your crimes" is not an indicator of rehabilitation.

    And your question was specifically about the 2A, not voting.
    The point there is that the case for restricting guns seems more obvious, yet it is actually a stronger curtailment of their rights than voting.

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen
    Not necessarily. "Will" is too broad to be accurate. One's individual felony could be a one-time thing due to unusual circumstances that would never happen again, and never would have happened to begin with in other circumstances.
    Yes, you have. You don't get to say that things like murder or kidnapping and raping a child should be overlooked because you only did it once (that we know of) before you were caught. You have demonstrated that, given freedom of action, you will abuse it. That's it. You haven't demonstrated that now you won't, you have only demonstrated that you prefer punishment to things like death-by-cop.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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