View Poll Results: Is banning felons from voting constitutional?

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  • Yes. Felons should lose their right to vote under the constitution during and after incarceration.

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  • Felons constitutionally lose their right to vote only during incarceration.

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  • There is no constitutional justification to ban felons from voting during or after incarceration

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, because we need to extent back to them their gun rights. Once they have already proved they cant live in civil society.
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    I can see the justification with regard to guns and violent felons, though an outright ban on a convicted owning a firearm simply because of a felony conviction has problems Constitutionally. But let's face there are lots of non violent felonies the distinction between a felon and a misdemeanor is getting thinner every day.

    As far as voting goes there's really no good reason to restrict any citizen's voting rights.
    I don't mind working out some kind of compromise that would restore both gun rights and voting rights to people who have served their sentences for nonviolent crimes.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, because we need to extent back to them their gun rights. Once they have already proved they cant live in civil society.
    Once you are not longer prison. You are a citizen again and their for all rights given back.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    I think all rights should be restored upon completion of sentencing. There is no reason a person who has made a mistake in their life cannot go on to become a prominent citizen. Unfortunately people learn from mistakes and our society never forgives.

    The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor a lot of times is the ability to afford decent counsel, political or influential connection, the color of your skin, and the unfortunate mistake of working with authorities.

    As my sergeant in the MP explained to me, "The difference between a good citizen and a the worst felon on this earth is a young child running out between parked cars. All six friends drank 3 beers and ate pizza. Only 1 had the unfortunate incident of a child running out in front of his car. Whether drunk or sober he would not have been able to avoid hitting this child. However those 3 beers make him the worst person on this planet. The other 5 who were fortunate enough to drive home with out incident are your good citizens. All committed the same crime of driving while intoxicated."

    This sergeant spent a lot of time guarding prisoners in the military and listening to their stories. A lot of his stories should be taught in school. They are true and are eye openers.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    I think all rights should be restored upon completion of sentencing. There is no reason a person who has made a mistake in their life cannot go on to become a prominent citizen. Unfortunately people learn from mistakes and our society never forgives.
    I presume you meant "fortunately".

    Quote Originally Posted by PIPEWRENCH View Post
    The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor a lot of times is the ability to afford decent counsel, political or influential connection, the color of your skin, and the unfortunate mistake of working with authorities.

    As my sergeant in the MP explained to me, "The difference between a good citizen and a the worst felon on this earth is a young child running out between parked cars. All six friends drank 3 beers and ate pizza. Only 1 had the unfortunate incident of a child running out in front of his car. Whether drunk or sober he would not have been able to avoid hitting this child. However those 3 beers make him the worst person on this planet. The other 5 who were fortunate enough to drive home with out incident are your good citizens. All committed the same crime of driving while intoxicated."

    This sergeant spent a lot of time guarding prisoners in the military and listening to their stories. A lot of his stories should be taught in school. They are true and are eye openers.
    That's an interesting point...I wonder how many times a person gets away with something like driving while intoxicated and how many times a person gets charged with manslaughter or whatnot simply because they were intoxicated....
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I presume you meant "fortunately".

    That's an interesting point...I wonder how many times a person gets away with something like driving while intoxicated and how many times a person gets charged with manslaughter or whatnot simply because they were intoxicated....
    Patrolling 11:00pm to 7:00am and listening to this sergeant's stories were some of the most enlightening times of my life.
    He was a wonderful black man finishing out a distinguished career of 30 years in the military. He could have retired 10 years earlier but he enjoyed working with young recruits. The knowledge passed on to me from this man changed my life as well as many others. You could look at him as a soft spoken experienced driver pulling back on the reigns of many young men who might easily run unknowingly over a cliff in their zeal to fix the world.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Yea, because we need to extent back to them their gun rights. Once they have already proved they cant live in civil society.
    Not all convicted felons committed violent offenses.

    And if they want to re-offend when they are released and want a gun, they'll get one. Breaking the law...in for a penny, in for a pound. I wont make a difference.

    If you finish your sentence, you should have all your rights back...otherwise what are the incentives to rehabilitate? Due process has been served....
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not all convicted felons committed violent offenses.
    Absolutely correct. Not all felonies are violent.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not all convicted felons committed violent offenses.

    And if they want to re-offend when they are released and want a gun, they'll get one. Breaking the law...in for a penny, in for a pound. I wont make a difference.

    If you finish your sentence, you should have all your rights back...otherwise what are the incentives to rehabilitate? Due process has been served....
    Once you are a felon, I don't care about your rights.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Not all convicted felons committed violent offenses.

    And if they want to re-offend when they are released and want a gun, they'll get one. Breaking the law...in for a penny, in for a pound. I wont make a difference.

    If you finish your sentence, you should have all your rights back...otherwise what are the incentives to rehabilitate? Due process has been served....
    I'm with ya, but I fear that our so-called leaders and judges would just start including permanent right revocal* in sentences, hence no sentence would ever be "complete".

    *-Presuming that's a word.


    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Once you are a felon, I don't care about your rights.
    You strike me as someone who equates arrest with guilt. Someone who thinks every acquittal and 'not guilty' finding is just some slick lawyer beating the system.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I'm with ya, but I fear that our so-called leaders and judges would just start including permanent right revocal* in sentences, hence no sentence would ever be "complete".

    *-Presuming that's a word.



    You strike me as someone who equates arrest with guilt. Someone who thinks every acquittal and 'not guilty' finding is just some slick lawyer beating the system.
    Did you wake up with me this morning? No, so you don't know me well enough to make that assumption.

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