View Poll Results: Is banning felons from voting constitutional?

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  • Yes. Felons should lose their right to vote under the constitution during and after incarceration.

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  • Felons constitutionally lose their right to vote only during incarceration.

    15 44.12%
  • There is no constitutional justification to ban felons from voting during or after incarceration

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Thread: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    actually nothing actually requires a right to vote. The 17th amendment is an abomination and we need to get rid of it. But the point I was making is that former felon status doesn't mean much to me
    True, but is it constitutional to give you the right to vote but tell people who are likely to vote differently than you, "there's no constitutional right for anyone to vote. Go home."?
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    True, but is it constitutional to give you the right to vote but tell people who are likely to vote differently than you, "there's no constitutional right for anyone to vote. Go home."?
    no its not. lots of people got educated on the "right to vote" during the Gore attempt to steal Florida from Bush
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    I dont know if there is Constitutional justification or not but IMO convicted felons should regain their right to vote after they are released. I'm not sure they should lose it upon conviction either.

    Is it just a punitive measure or is there some other foundation for it?
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    There may be cases where it is appropriate to strip people of their citizenship. But barring those exceptional cases I think a felony conviction should not take away a person's right to vote (although an argument can be made that during incarceration people should not be allowed to vote).

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    What does a social contract mean if voting rights are withheld? Upon release, suspension of rights must be rescinded with immediate effect, or there's an argument for why they should henceforth be bound by the laws of the land.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    What does a social contract mean if voting rights are withheld? Upon release, suspension of rights must be rescinded with immediate effect, or there's an argument for why they should henceforth be bound by the laws of the land.
    Actually the laws of the land are binding on all those who reside in it, regardless of whether they can vote or not. But I agree that citizens of a country should not be deprived of their right to vote solely on the basis of a criminal conviction.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Actually the laws of the land are binding on all those who reside in it, regardless of whether they can vote or not. But I agree that citizens of a country should not be deprived of their right to vote solely on the basis of a criminal conviction.
    I'm assuming you're referring exclusively to instances where either status or contravention renders the point moot.

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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    First, let me say I have traditionally opposed felons having the right to vote. However, in 2012 with what seemed to ME to be deliberate efforts to create obstacles for certain people to vote based on how they are likely to vote, I began to ponder the legality to restrictions and hindrances to voting and the one man one vote concept. I might be missing something, admittedly, but I see nothing in the constitution that justifies stripping an an American citizen of their civil rights with the exception of involuntary servitude specifically limited to the duration of their sentance. This means, if I'm correct felons have a right to vote after their incarceration. I also believe, not based on any personal desire or agenda but objective understanding of what US citizenship affords, specifically equal protection under the law; felons currently incarcerated also have a right to vote no different than their rights to access to the courts.

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    The 15th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

    You're right as far as it being unconstitutional to deny a felon the right to vote.

    The 24th Amendment: The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

    Since serving ones time and paying restitution/court costs is considered as paying a debt to society it could be considered as a poll tax and as such what you said about not being able to vote while in prison may be a violation of the Constitution also. Depending on how you look at it of course. And since they considered demanding people take tests and those people must pass those tests in order to vote as a "poll tax" also this argument could legitimately be made.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    I could see the argument for forbidding felons who are still serving their time from voting but I feel that once you finish your prison time you should have every single right to vote.
    ...and every single other right restored as well.
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    Re: Is banning convicted felons from voting compliant with the constitution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I dont know if there is Constitutional justification or not but IMO convicted felons should regain their right to vote after they are released. I'm not sure they should lose it upon conviction either.

    Is it just a punitive measure or is there some other foundation for it?
    I think it's purely punitive, and mostly for show. Most criminal types aren't exactly concerned thoughtful citizens who would want to vote anyway.

    I'm also not wholly convinced we should take it away when they're convicted, but that aspect is so far down on my priority list I never argue the point. It's something I can live with.
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