View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule?

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  • States can ban SSM and not recognize them from other states

    2 3.33%
  • States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states

    8 13.33%
  • States cannot ban SSM but do not have to recognize them from other states

    1 1.67%
  • States cannot ban SSM and have to recognize them from other states

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  • No ruling, lack of standing

    1 1.67%
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Thread: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    I think the court will rule a state's right to not recognize SSM from other states as unconstitutional.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Interesting run down. It does not however take much notice of the rights ssm infringes on and breaks. By accepting ssm we will be tossing free religious practice, after all. And that was at the very heart of what America was about.
    How did you come up with that bizarre notion? And how does it affect the possible outcomes of the case SCOTUS heard today?
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Interesting run down. It does not however take much notice of the rights ssm infringes on and breaks. By accepting ssm we will be tossing free religious practice, after all. And that was at the very heart of what America was about.
    Neither the women's rights movement, nor the Civil Rights movement preserved the sincere "free religious practices" of being able to act exclusionary/discriminatory towards a group of people.

    Actually the only "free religious practice" that I can seem to recall being preserved are alcohol's blue laws.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    At a bare minimum I think they'll rule states will be required to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. I think they'll go all the way and require all states to perform them though.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No matter what the court decides, those opposed to SSM have vowed to never give up their fight against it. Like legal abortion, SSM will always be a wedge issue.
    No, it won't. The number of those in younger generations who support same sex marriage are so much higher than those in older generations, just like interracial marriage, not abortion.

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    These numbers are nothing like support for same sex marriage however, which shows an obvious generational divide leaning heavily in support of same sex marriage in younger generations.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Neither the women's rights movement, nor the Civil Rights movement preserved the sincere "free religious practices" of being able to act exclusionary/discriminatory towards a group of people.

    Actually the only "free religious practice" that I can seem to recall being preserved are alcohol's blue laws.
    And really the only reason for that is because the Courts can't really find an actual person that has found a creative way of claiming legitimate harm from not being able to buy alcohol on a Sunday or between certain hours.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    I was predicting option two, but then I listened to the entirety of the audio and transcripts from today and became convinced that option 4 is what will happen. The best challenge that any of the Justices could muster against the argument that the 14 Amendment guarantees a right for same-sex couples to marry was 'well, the ancient Greeks didn't have same-sex marriage.' That was pretty much their only response and it was discussed at length; ancient civilizations didn't do it so why should we? As far as the argument against a 14th Amendment guarantee, the majority of the Justices made it very clear that it didn't make any logical sense at all.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Option 4. I was hoping for option 4 anyway, and some of the stuff I read on news articles today was slightly discouraging as far as the swing judge. But after listening to about two hours of transcripts, it seems as though he was posing these questions to get them out of the way, which is typical with him.

    Gay marriage proponents can't really fall back on religion to defend their stance, so they are playing up the "states rights" card, which is actually pretty smart. Don't think it will work, but I'll give them credit.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Ahhh - Same-sex Civil Marriage doesn't do anything for "tossing free religous practice" of anyone. You may be confusing the Same-sex Civil Marriage issue with Public Accommodation laws which are a different matter all together.


    Did you know that Sweetcakes by Mellisa (Oregon), Masterpiece Cakes (Colorado), and Elane Photography (New Mexico) were all cases from States that did not have SSCM at the time?


    Finally, since you are concerned about government and religious practices, can we assume that you support same-sex couples that have been married by a religious organization as being equally recognized by the government and that their religious practices should not be "tossed" by the government?



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    I do not think that government should be recognizing any kind of marriage nor attaching privilege of any type to it. It no longer fulfills the original functions. Government treatment of married persons has become inconsistent, ineffective and messy. Therefore, we should be seeking ways of getting those functions taken care of instead of widening use of the dysfunctional instrument. We should use the misbegotten drive for ssm to rethink, what we want to salvage from the old way we did things.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by brothern View Post
    Neither the women's rights movement, nor the Civil Rights movement preserved the sincere "free religious practices" of being able to act exclusionary/discriminatory towards a group of people.

    Actually the only "free religious practice" that I can seem to recall being preserved are alcohol's blue laws.
    Are you sure that you cannot remember conscientious objection? Were Civil Rights contested for religious reasons? I cannot remember having read of a case.

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