View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule?

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  • States can ban SSM and not recognize them from other states

    2 3.33%
  • States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states

    8 13.33%
  • States cannot ban SSM but do not have to recognize them from other states

    1 1.67%
  • States cannot ban SSM and have to recognize them from other states

    45 75.00%
  • No ruling, lack of standing

    1 1.67%
  • Something else

    3 5.00%
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Thread: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the oral arguments are tomorrow before the Supreme Court on the subject of same sex marriage. The court is looking at two primary questions, whether states can refuse to recognize same sex marriages from other states, and whether states can ban same sex marriage. Good reading on the issues at hand, pretty balanced to my mind: Same-sex marriage: The decisive questions : SCOTUSblog. So how do you think the court will end up ruling?

    1: States can ban SSM and not recognize them from other states
    2: States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states
    3: States cannot ban SSM but do not have to recognize them from other states
    4: States cannot ban SSM and have to recognize them from other states
    5: No ruling, lack of standing
    6: Something else

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    Question 1: ssm is a state issue, court rules 6-3 against federal civil right to marry

    Qusetion 2: any legal marriage must be recognized by other states, court rules 7-2
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Question 1: ssm is a state issue, court rules 6-3 against federal civil right to marry

    Qusetion 2: any legal marriage must be recognized by other states, court rules 7-2
    I'm pretty sure the courts decided that marriage wasnt a 'state issue' in Loving vs Virginia.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So the oral arguments are tomorrow before the Supreme Court on the subject of same sex marriage. The court is looking at two primary questions, whether states can refuse to recognize same sex marriages from other states, and whether states can ban same sex marriage. Good reading on the issues at hand, pretty balanced to my mind: Same-sex marriage: The decisive questions : SCOTUSblog. So how do you think the court will end up ruling?

    1: States can ban SSM and not recognize them from other states
    2: States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states
    3: States cannot ban SSM but do not have to recognize them from other states
    4: States cannot ban SSM and have to recognize them from other states
    5: No ruling, lack of standing
    6: Something else

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    The Supreme Court is kind of conservative so I think they will rule that states can ban gay marriage. I don't see how the constitution keeps states from enacting discrimination. But I am glad they can't or else Civil Rights would not have happened.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I'm pretty sure the courts decided that marriage wasnt a 'state issue' in Loving vs Virginia.
    Kennedy will be with the States on the first question. On the second Scallia, Roberts and Kennedy will vote with the feds.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Seems to support mine also, which I outlined pages ago.
    No. Justice Kennedy clearly he said "marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for millennia plus time" and "it would be difficult for the court to say, "we know better".".....


    ...Justice Anthony Kennedy said that marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for "millennia-plus time," according to an Associated Press reporter in the courtroom. "It's very difficult for the court to say 'We know better,'" ...."

    And you clearly said the opposite....

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    And yet he has already acknowleged that his is no longer valid in a historical perspective; that the social aspect...of personal liberty and equality (what I read from his opinion) are now more relevant and not unConstitutional.

    So if you have anything else to add just make sure it has a link to a credible source, otherwise I'm done with our discussion.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No. Justice Kennedy clearly he said "marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for millennia plus time" and "it would be difficult for the court to say, "we know better".".....


    ...Justice Anthony Kennedy said that marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for "millennia-plus time," according to an Associated Press reporter in the courtroom. "It's very difficult for the court to say 'We know better,'" ...."

    And you clearly said the opposite....




    So if you have anything else to add just make sure it has a link to a credible source, otherwise I'm done with our discussion.
    I said "that's how I read it."


    If you dont like it, fine. I lost interest pages ago.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If marriage was defined as "only between a man and a woman" then it wouldn't matter what race they are as long they are opposite sexes.

    I don't know about other countries but SSM is still relatively new in the US.
    And so is marriage where women legally have as much power in their marriages as men do.

    Married Women's Property Laws:Law Library of Congress

    Many things we change in our laws are new until they happen. This is a stupid reason to oppose any change.

    And same sex marriage has been around in this country for over 10. My children have been around fewer years than same sex marriage has been in this country and they are both in school.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No. Justice Kennedy clearly he said "marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for millennia plus time" and "it would be difficult for the court to say, "we know better".".....


    ...Justice Anthony Kennedy said that marriage has been understood as the union of one man and one woman for "millennia-plus time," according to an Associated Press reporter in the courtroom. "It's very difficult for the court to say 'We know better,'" ...."

    And you clearly said the opposite....

    So if you have anything else to add just make sure it has a link to a credible source, otherwise I'm done with our discussion.
    Except it is the Court's job to make those difficult decisions on the basis of the Constitution rather than tradition and fear of changing things.
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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And so is marriage where women legally have as much power in their marriages as men do.

    Married Women's Property Laws:Law Library of Congress

    Many things we change in our laws are new until they happen. This is a stupid reason to oppose any change.

    And same sex marriage has been around in this country for over 10. My children have been around fewer years than same sex marriage has been in this country and they are both in school.
    Ten years? Yikes, that's almost as long as I've been a DP member. Seems like yesterday. lol Ten years isn't very long in the scheme of things. It took over 70 years for women to get the vote.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Except it is the Court's job to make those difficult decisions on the basis of the Constitution rather than tradition and fear of changing things.

    Tradition and fear of change is the basis of the defenses argument. Which makes sense since the defense are Christian conservatives. Over half the Supreme court justices are Christian conservatives, too.

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