View Poll Results: How will SCOTUS rule?

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  • States can ban SSM and not recognize them from other states

    2 3.33%
  • States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states

    8 13.33%
  • States cannot ban SSM but do not have to recognize them from other states

    1 1.67%
  • States cannot ban SSM and have to recognize them from other states

    45 75.00%
  • No ruling, lack of standing

    1 1.67%
  • Something else

    3 5.00%
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Thread: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You don't have to take marriage out of the government portfolio. That's a false either/or dichotomy. No one is forced to enter into a same-sex civil marriage against their will.


    We can have government recognize the rights of same-sex couples to enter into Civil Marriage and allow private businesses to make their own decisions as to which customers to serve or not - whether it be race, religion, national origin, sex, sexual orientation or any other criteria.


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    The problem is not gays being forced, but forcing third parties to act against their conscience.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well, no. If the court imposes a top-down national solution, then this will remain a problem for some time. If the court leaves it to the States and to the public debate, then it will simply go there, like our other national debates.
    I highly doubt the issue will die out if left to the states....especially now that it's already legal in 36 states.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    But nobody will care what those against equal rights thinks. They lost, are losing and if they want to continue to fight let them,. They will only HELP equal rights while making themselves look like the complete jackasses they are.


    there are people right now that still think women are lessers, that minorities are lessers, that neither should have equal rights, . . nobody takes those morons seriously. Those views are simply seen for the indefensible, illogical, hateful bigotry they are.
    Don't kid yourself...everyone thought the Birchers were a thing of the past, too. But now they're baaaaack....and lots of people are taking them seriously. Nah, the issue of SSM will never go away anymore than religion will....and I don't see that happening in any of our lifetimes. But then there's a lot I thought I'd never see that has come to be. Like, I never thought I'd see gay rights achieve so much so fast...but here we are. So....we'll see.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The problem is not gays being forced, but forcing third parties to act against their conscience.
    That is an issue of Public Accommodation laws, and has nothing to do with Civil Marriage. Civil Marriage is between the spouses and the government. Anytime you are talking about "third parties" (i.e. businesses providing services) you are not talking Civil Marriage law.

    You know that there was no Civil Marriage for same-sex couples in the Sweetcakes (Oregon), Masterpiece Cakes (Colorado) and Elane Photography (New Mexico) cases right? Those were issues under Public Accommodation laws since there was no Civil Marriage in those States at the time.


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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, it won't. The number of those in younger generations who support same sex marriage are so much higher than those in older generations, just like interracial marriage, not abortion.

    Americans Misjudge U.S. Abortion Views

    These numbers are nothing like support for same sex marriage however, which shows an obvious generational divide leaning heavily in support of same sex marriage in younger generations.
    As long as there is religious belief against it, it's never going to go away. The chart below shows how often public opinion can change.....



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortio...Public_opinion

    After the Civil Rights bill passed a lot of people thought racism would end, too.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    I'm going with "States can ban SSM but have to recognize them from other states". I hope I am wrong, but I just dont see it happening now. But please say I am wrong.


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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    As long as there is religious belief against it, it's never going to go away. The chart below shows how often public opinion can change.....



    Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After the Civil Rights bill passed a lot of people thought racism would end, too.
    Oh no. It wont go away. Its going to be there in one form or another. Its going to be there in one way or another. Examples from our past: institutionalized racism and anti abortion policies. There will be some form of discrimination one way or another. Be it institutionalized, direct laws, or just flat out bigotry. Civil rights, equality before society for the same sex community is not going to be won directly by a supreme. Our history proves this, and our present day proves this is well.


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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    As long as there is religious belief against it, it's never going to go away. The chart below shows how often public opinion can change.....



    Abortion in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After the Civil Rights bill passed a lot of people thought racism would end, too.
    So many try to point to Roe v Wade, when it is obvious that same sex marriage support/opposition graphs match interracial marriage acceptance/opposition graphs, not abortion graphs. It is dishonest to pretend that this issue is anything like abortion. It is like interracial marriage. The proof of this is in the group statistics that support/oppose same sex marriage compared to abortion. The groups, young and old, are pretty evenly split when it comes to opposition of abortion, and have been for quite some time (since about the decision was made or before. Support and opposition for same sex marriage is very much obviously more opposed by older generations than younger generations, just as interracial marriage was/is.

    So, although it is unlikely that opposition to same sex marriage will ever completely go away, it will get to such a low point that it won't matter and the rare cases where the next generation sees it, it will be treated very much the same way as we treat opposition to interracial marriages now.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    I think the court is going to throw everyone a curveball



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    Re: Crystal Ball Time: SCOTUS and SSM

    I should explain more

    the liberal bloc are a given-Kagan, Breyer, Sotamayor and RBG are going to vote for gay marriage on all fronts

    we have seen that CJ Roberts wants to be seen as both clever and a wise King Solomon (remember Obama care-he didn't buy the commerce clause nonsense of the left but he split the baby with the tax argument even though the Obama advocates denied it was a tax)

    so he will do something like that here

    Thomas, Alito and Scalia will probably continue to say its a states rights issue-to the point that a state doesn't have to recognize gay marriage from another state

    Kennedy is another question mark



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