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Thread: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

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    Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by DailyMailUK

    • New NHS guidelines urge GPs to draw up end-of-life plans for over 75s
    • Also applies to younger patients with serious conditions, such as cancer
    • Told to ask if patients wants doctors to resuscitate them if health worsens
    • Medical professionals say it is 'blatantly wrong' and will frighten elderly

    Doctors are being told to ask all patients over 75 if they will agree to a 'do not resuscitate' order.
    New NHS guidelines urge GPs to draw up end-of-life plans for over-75s, as well as younger patients suffering from cancer, dementia, heart disease or serious lung conditions.

    They are also being told to ask whether the patient wants doctors to try to resuscitate them if their health suddenly deteriorates.


    The NHS says the guidance will improve patients' end-of-life care, but medical professionals say it is 'blatantly wrong' and will frighten the elderly into thinking they are being 'written off'.
    In some surgeries, nurses are cold-calling patients over 75 or with long-term conditions and asking them over the phone if they have 'thought about resuscitation'.

    ....


    In some parts of England, practice nurses have been instructed to cold-call patients and fill out an advance care plan for them over the phone.
    Ruth Nicholls, a palliative care nurse in the South East, told how her brother-in-law, who has a heart condition, was contacted immediately after he had a hospital appointment.


    GPs to ask elderly if they'll agree to a 'do not resuscitate' order | Daily Mail Online
    Is this a bit callous and unfeeling by the NHS to require GP's and medical professionals to do something like, cold call a recent older patient and ask them if they have thought about NOT being resuscitated in the future and just... well.... die.... or is this a good thing to get rid of older people and to be the future of medical services in the future to not only inform but for lack of a better word, "sell" DNR and possibly in the future --- suicide to assist the government in curbing medical expenses?

    Take the poll and provide an opinion. Remember - if this is the future, you personally will be at the end of a question or decision like this if you live so long and such a policy catches on in your area/country.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is this a bit callous and unfeeling by the NHS to require GP's and medical professionals to do something like, cold call a recent older patient and ask them if they have thought about NOT being resuscitated in the future and just... well.... die.... or is this a good thing to get rid of older people and to be the future of medical services in the future to not only inform but for lack of a better word, "sell" DNR and possibly in the future --- suicide to assist the government in curbing medical expenses?

    Take the poll and provide an opinion. Remember - if this is the future, you personally will be at the end of a question or decision like this if you live so long and such a policy catches on in your area/country.
    I have a DNR for certain situations as I plan on being cryopreserved. I think everyone should carefully consider their end of life options. It's irresponsible to leave it to the wind. I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate for patients to asked about their wishes especially if it encourages people to think about this sooner. Though I think they should ask at a younger age so that people aren't "frightened" and ask again ever 5 or so years if they want to update their wishes.

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is this a bit callous and unfeeling by the NHS to require GP's and medical professionals to do something like, cold call a recent older patient and ask them if they have thought about NOT being resuscitated in the future and just... well.... die.... or is this a good thing to get rid of older people and to be the future of medical services in the future to not only inform but for lack of a better word, "sell" DNR and possibly in the future --- suicide to assist the government in curbing medical expenses?

    Take the poll and provide an opinion. Remember - if this is the future, you personally will be at the end of a question or decision like this if you live so long and such a policy catches on in your area/country.


    It seems callous but I wonder if the report is skewed.

    We do something similar here, but not to save money. An 89 year old friend took sick and died two years ago and in the process I was with him when the resident explained that extreme measures can do damage, especially in later life, some of them painful and life changing, from broken ribs to brain damage. He was given all that information and allowed to make a choice, "talk it over with your family" etc.

    He chose the negative option as he was a pharmacist and knew of what the doctor spoke. Knowing what happens in old age after open heart, and other intrusive procedures I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to live that way.

    In the meantime we are still doing hip replacements to any age.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I have a DNR for certain situations as I plan on being cryopreserved. I think everyone should carefully consider their end of life options. It's irresponsible to leave it to the wind. I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate for patients to asked about their wishes especially if it encourages people to think about this sooner. Though I think they should ask at a younger age so that people aren't "frightened" and ask again ever 5 or so years if they want to update their wishes.
    I tend to agree with this (other then the freeze drying me part when I am gone).

    The only thing with the OP article I disagree with is cold calling - that seems a bit much.

    Just ask the patients the next time they are in to see their GP.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Today is a good day to die.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is this a bit callous and unfeeling by the NHS to require GP's and medical professionals to do something like, cold call a recent older patient and ask them if they have thought about NOT being resuscitated in the future and just... well.... die.... or is this a good thing to get rid of older people and to be the future of medical services in the future to not only inform but for lack of a better word, "sell" DNR and possibly in the future --- suicide to assist the government in curbing medical expenses?

    Take the poll and provide an opinion. Remember - if this is the future, you personally will be at the end of a question or decision like this if you live so long and such a policy catches on in your area/country.
    You're using the Daily Mail as a source. In real life the guidelines probably say that the doctor should simply ask if they'd like to go over any concerns the patient might have about end of life care should that a bad situation ever arise.

    It's a good idea and needs to be done.

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Nothing wrong with having the discussion and if not with your GP then with who?

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You're using the Daily Mail as a source. In real life the guidelines probably say that the doctor should simply ask if they'd like to go over any concerns the patient might have about end of life care should that a bad situation ever arise.

    It's a good idea and needs to be done.
    Even in the OP "urge" morphs into "told"

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by d0gbreath View Post
    Today is a good day to die.


    "Every day is a good day to die?"

    Up until now everyone who has ever been born has eventually died.

    Does anyone think that they can beat those odds?

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    In a society where the government is making the healthcare decisions, I would think this is just the next step to making it mandatory.

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