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  • 75+ or younger chronically ill should be required to DNR

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  • 75+ or younger chronically ill should consider DNR if they have serious medical issues (e.g. cancer)

    1 14.29%
  • 75+ or younger chronically ill should NOT be required to answer DNR questions - it's insulting

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  • 75+ or younger chronically ill should consider DNR and assisted suicide to save society cost

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  • WTF?

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Thread: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    I think that Medicare should require DNRs under certain circumstances or cease coverage in certain cases when a DNR is not signed.

    However, if you want to pay your own freight feel free to live forever.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    In a society where the government is making the healthcare decisions, I would think this is just the next step to making it mandatory.
    Making a DNR mandatory isn't a bad idea. Actually, a DNR can be a legally binding way to keep you alive in almost any circumstance if that's what your wishes are. I wouldn't be against making end-of-life directives mandatory starting at a young age and you can alter it however often you'd like. Saving money isn't really the point and I don't believe that the British government has that in mind (at list first and foremost). Giving people the dignity to die the way they want to is. I will definitely be crippled one day and I'm going to have to decide how long I want to prolong things. Do I want people changing my diapers for 30 years? That's a decision I'm going to have to make, but I don't want anybody else making it for me because they deem me incompetent.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I think that Medicare should require DNRs under certain circumstances or cease coverage in certain cases when a DNR is not signed.

    However, if you want to pay your own freight feel free to live forever.
    Kind of what I was thinking. If you can pay yourself go ahead and have fun.
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    I've no idea what the Daily Mail is talking about to be honest and they, as usual, deliberately avoid helping anyone seek further information on the back of their claims. I'm not aware of any new guidelines but there has been policy in place about this for some time which is always developing. I'm highly suspicious by their complete lack of links or right of reply and I can't find the alleged interview in Nursing Times mentioned in passing. Also, the only other source I found talking about this was the Daily Express which if anything is possible, is even less trustworthy and reliable than the Mail.

    I will guarantee that NHS England doesn't require practices to "cold call" patients at all. GP practices are fairly independent in this area (remember the reference is to "guidance" after all) so if there is bad practice here, it's on the practices rather than NHS England. Actual end-of-life planning is a very positive thing for patients if done correctly but if GPs are expected to manage it (and they should be best placed to do so), they need to be suitably resourced because they're already stretched with all the things they're currently required and expected to do.

    I'm giving the rest of your post and your poll all the credit they deserve.

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    "Every day is a good day to die?"

    Up until now everyone who has ever been born has eventually died.

    Does anyone think that they can beat those odds?
    Those aren't so much "odds" as a simple reality.

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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Is this a bit callous and unfeeling by the NHS to require GP's and medical professionals to do something like, cold call a recent older patient and ask them if they have thought about NOT being resuscitated in the future and just... well.... die.... or is this a good thing to get rid of older people and to be the future of medical services in the future to not only inform but for lack of a better word, "sell" DNR and possibly in the future --- suicide to assist the government in curbing medical expenses? Take the poll and provide an opinion. Remember - if this is the future, you personally will be at the end of a question or decision like this if you live so long and such a policy catches on in your area/country.
    I think the real question to ask is which country will be producing soylent green first: the US or the UK?
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    The DNR issues isn't a new one in the UK. The following link is from 2011. NHS hospitals warned over 'do not resuscitate' orders | Society | The Guardian
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    Re: Over 75? Sign here if you're ready for death:

    Nobody can be required to have a DNR, no matter how old or sick they are. It is a voluntary thing for people who do not want to be revived when the time comes.

    This decision should be purely based on the wishes of the person who wants a DNR status. It should have nothing to do with age, ill health, saving costs, being a burden on society or any other thing people could think of.

    A DNR is a purely personal and private decision based on the points of view of that person. A society should never be allowed to dictate to people that they should have a DNR against their wishes or personal beliefs.
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