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Do you believe....[W:123]

Do you believe that the school system is ran mostly by liberals?


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Most likely, at least in my opinion, those opinions came from friends, family, pop culture, and things like that and less so much their english class or history class or science class. To answer your follow up question I attended a school from kindergarten till the 5th grade which was an anglican private school but I was not necessarily raised with religion and after moving to the US and attending school here it's been absent. As for the schools here that I have attended no I have not studied theology at any of them. I took a humanities course in high school which talked about some of the world religions and such but I would say that that is the extent of my knowledge to be honest.

I encourage you to study religion and practice one if you choose. The lessons and guidance will definitely enhance your life and help you through it's little [and big] bumps and give you a greater understanding of the world around you.
 
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Straying from what? Reality?

No thanks. I'm not scared of the real world as you seem to be, and I don't celebrate ignorance and fear as you do.

Anti-intellectualism like yours is the reason America is lagging miles behind most of the rest of the developed world by practically every metric that has anything to do with quality of life, from health to violence to education.

So you consider my faith as backwards, anti-intellectualism? That's the sort of attitude we're discussing here and why Liberalism has failed every where it's been tried. [including our education system]

You can keep your intellectualism or whatever. Hope it serves you well.
 
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I encourage you to study religion and practice one if you choose. The lessons and guidance will definitely enhance your life and help you through it's little [and big] bumps and give you a greater understanding of the world around you.

I appreciate that and I have no ill will towards religion and the various faiths but I also have no draw towards it or them. I am highly spiritual though and have my own personal beliefs that stem from the natural world.
 
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So you consider my faith as backwards, anti-intellectualism? That's the sort of attitude we're discussing here and why Liberalism has failed every where it's been tried. [including our education system]

You can keep your intellectualism or whatever. Hope it serves you well.

I consider your insistence on forcing it onto children despite its direct contradiction to known reality to be backwards. It has nothing to do with the religion itself. I feel the same way about your promotion of homeopathy, which has nothing to do with religion, but which kills people every year, many of them children.

First of all, I am not a liberal. Second of all, progressive thought of one kind or another (both liberal and not) is the only reason you're still alive despite yourself. It is progressive thought that implemented the infrastructure you're using to access the internet, the access to schooling that guaranteed you'd learn to read, and the human habitation standards that render your environment so clean that you can afford to claim your lack of infection comes from woo, rather than decades of progressive fighting for human health and environmental protection.

People who think like you might have continued to blame infection on bad humor and let people die in droves, rather than ever bothering to investigate and discover germs. Superstitious nonsense makes the ignorant feel superior while they let people fight and die unnecessarily, and yes, I oppose it with a special vociferousness especially in schools.
 
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I consider your insistence on forcing it onto children despite its direct contradiction to known reality to be backwards. It has nothing to do with the religion itself. I feel the same way about your promotion of homeopathy, which has nothing to do with religion, but which kills people every year, many of them children.

First of all, I am not a liberal. Second of all, progressive thought of one kind or another (both liberal and not) is the only reason you're still alive despite yourself. It is progressive thought that implemented the infrastructure you're using to access the internet, the access to schooling that guaranteed you'd learn to read, and the human habitation standards that render your environment so clean that you can afford to claim your lack of infection comes from woo, rather than decades of progressive fighting for human health and environmental protection.

People who think like you might have continued to blame infection on bad humor and let people die in droves, rather than ever bothering to investigate and discover germs. Superstitious nonsense makes the ignorant feel superior while they let people fight and die unnecessarily, and yes, I oppose it with a special vociferousness especially in schools.

Too intellectual to believe in a creator, I see. Sometime in your life when you're looking for something to draw strength from, just think real hard.

Best of luck with that.
 
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Too intellectual to believe in a creator, I see. Sometime in your life when you're looking for something to draw strength from, just think real hard.

Best of luck with that.

:roll:

I draw strength from myself and the other real human beings in my life. I find real people much more responsive.

But at any rate, I notice you have ignored the meat of the argument yet again, as you have nothing but your superstition and ignorance to defend yourself with.
 
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:roll:

I draw strength from myself and the other real human beings in my life. I find real people much more responsive.

But at any rate, I notice you have ignored the meat of the argument yet again, as you have nothing but your superstition and ignorance to defend yourself with.

What happened to make you such a hate filled.person?
 
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What happened to make you such a hate filled.person?

What's hate-filled about talking to real people? I don't get it.

Are you commenting on my pointing out that you're not responding to anything I've said? That's not "hate" either. I'm just making sure you don't think you're getting away with all your nonsense distractions.
 
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Most educated people in the world are tolerant of different views, which makes them liberal, IMO. They also focus more on facts and logic, and like to discuss matters and different views. There is a reason that one of the first groups that Hitler went after were the professors and educators. They would catch on and write about "things" and discuss things and not be so easily swayed by dictum.

Now who is on the school board ("the system") is a different question.

Seriously, that's not what modern self-identified liberals are like. They are anything but tolerant of different views the more "liberal" they get. It's strictly their way or the highway. They also don't rely on facts or logic but on pure emotion. That's why so many liberal positions are based on feelings, not wanting people to feel bad, not wanting people to be unhappy, etc. That's where the silly "everyone gets a trophy just for showing up" nonsense and the overemphasis on self-esteem comes from. In my experience, modern liberals are nothing whatsoever like what you describe.
 
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What happened to make you such a hate filled.person?

What happened to make you such an irrational one?
 
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What's hate-filled about talking to real people? I don't get it.

Are you commenting on my pointing out that you're not responding to anything I've said? That's not "hate" either. I'm just making sure you don't think you're getting away with all your nonsense distractions.

You hate religion with a passion. Just wondering where they came from
 
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You hate religion with a passion. Just wondering where they came from

Not really. I hate the promotion of anti-reality teaching, because it prevents children from growing up to do the things that have made your life so good, again, despite yourself.

Some of those people who have done all that good work have remained religious. Admittedly, many don't -- gaining knowledge and understanding of the world tends to have that affect.

Where'd it come from? Knowledge of history, and seeing how often dogmatism of all sorts has killed people and constrained humanity from growing.

I think you just hate people who don't pat your head and pretend your superstition is just as valid as reality-based fact.
 
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Most of the schools I went to were very conservative. Very.
 
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Depends how well the system is performing from one year to the next. lulz For every exemplary table placing, both sides will claim credit, while blaming the other for every abysmal failure. Were the school system dominated by one side, incumbent parties could never get beyond a single term. Make no mistake, schools are every inch the political cudgels as are hospitals, police forces, economies and armies.
 
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I was indoctrinated by liberals in third grade, darn those teachers, I could have been a GOP contender!
 
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Not really. I hate the promotion of anti-reality teaching, because it prevents children from growing up to do the things that have made your life so good, again, despite yourself.

Some of those people who have done all that good work have remained religious. Admittedly, many don't -- gaining knowledge and understanding of the world tends to have that affect.

Where'd it come from? Knowledge of history, and seeing how often dogmatism of all sorts has killed people and constrained humanity from growing.

I think you just hate people who don't pat your head and pretend your superstition is just as valid as reality-based fact.

You think people having immoral sexual or criminal exploits qualifies as a constraint on the growth of humanity? Is that what intellectuals ponder all day?
 
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You think people having immoral sexual or criminal exploits qualifies as a constraint on the growth of humanity? Is that what intellectuals ponder all day?

Oh, like the dozens of paedophiles in the priesthood and the meth-smoking closet cases running megachurches?

Religion hasn't done much for your own. If anything, it tends towards protecting its criminals, because the appearance of godliness is apparently more important than the actuality.
 
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Because I have faith? Sorry I don't make apologies for that.

Whether you apologize for your errors or not is irrelevant. You still have no credible evidence for your beliefs, thus we're all free to laugh at them.
 
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I bet those areas where the school system is run by conservatives are dragging the national average down. Imagine where Texas would rank on this table...

Educational Score Performance - Country Rankings

Not a sample of test scores, but here is the conservative lobbyists' group ALEC's rankings of education systems in America by state. Defining Blue and Red states according to the 2012 US Presidential elections, we have:
-Of their top 15 states, 14 are Blue.
-Of their bottom 11 states, 10 are Red.
This is ALEC, mind you, a conservative thinktank.

Here are the six-year college graduation rates in 2009. Defining Blue and Red states according to the 2008 US Presidential elections (since this is 2009 data; this does affect NC), we have:
-Of the top 18 states, all of them are Blue. (Change NC to a Red state, and "only" 17 of the top 18 are Blue.)
-Of the bottom 18 states, 15 of them were Red.
-California was 7th best. Texas was 34th.

Of course, let's be honest--trying to rank schools with data is about as easy as ranking colors.

My early childhood was in Wales actually, so not here in the US, but from about just before middle school on I went to school here in Florida, a mixture of public and private since kindergarten. Probably half of my education was private and the other half public. Currently I attend a private university in Florida.

I guess my question is what exactly is the forced or coerced liberal education that people seem to assume is in the system?

Science. Reality. Critical thinking. Creativity. Art.

As opposed to "education" that just crams students through high-stakes testing, which so many libertarians and conservatives love.
 
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Oh, like the dozens of paedophiles in the priesthood and the meth-smoking closet cases running megachurches?

Religion hasn't done much for your own. If anything, it tends towards protecting its criminals, because the appearance of godliness is apparently more important than the actuality.

My personal faith has nothing i to do with any of that nor am I a member of any church. In fact it does give religion a bad name.

Those are actions of mere men not the Almighty. They will be judged harshly when their time comes.
 
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Whether you apologize for your errors or not is irrelevant. You still have no credible evidence for your beliefs, thus we're all free to laugh at them.

Keep laughing Bro. Hell ain't half full.

You do realize theres no saving those who mock God? You are screwed.
 
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My personal faith has nothing i to do with any of that nor am I a member of any church. In fact it does give religion a bad name.

Those are actions of mere men not the Almighty. They will be judged harshly when their time comes.

I didn't say it did. However, in light of those types of facts, it is intentionally ignorant to claim that the religious are somehow exempt from the most despicable crimes of humanity. Indeed, they use their religion to hide from prosecution. Even more despicably, people like you allow them to, by continuing to claim nonsense such as the religious having higher morals.

What is it they say about good men doing nothing? And you justify ignoring these men of god who rape children and preach violence towards gays even as they hire male prostitutes by saying god will deal with them in the afterlife? Gee, how comforting to their living victims.

It seems to me the religious have strayed much more than have the non-religious. At least we still call a spade a spade. And that is what is wrong with dogmatic and irrational ways of thinking: it gives justification to doing nothing about things like paedophiles in your own ranks. Simply claim No True Scotsman and it's no longer your problem.

God will sort them out indeed. If you're right about such a god, hopefully he will sort out the wilfully blind who would rather protect their sense of superiority than other human beings as well. Jesus wept, as they say.
 
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