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    Re: Do you believe....

    run by, or ruined by?
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    Re: Do you believe....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Whether you apologize for your errors or not is irrelevant. You still have no credible evidence for your beliefs, thus we're all free to laugh at them.
    do you have credible evidence for your non-belief?
    Some churches have corruption, what human organization doesn't?
    Most religious groups do a lot of good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Keep laughing Bro. Hell ain't half full.

    You do realize theres no saving those who mock God? You are screwed.
    Ah yes, the childish insults begin. Can't expect better from you god-botherers.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    do you have credible evidence for your non-belief?
    Some churches have corruption, what human organization doesn't?
    Most religious groups do a lot of good.
    I don't have to, any more than I have to prove that there are no unicorns. The religious have entirely failed to back up their claims, there is no more reason to believe in gods than there is to believe in leprechauns. And no, I wouldn't say that religious groups do much good, their motives for acting are purely selfish for the most part. They want to indoctrinate people into their club. They aren't out to help people, simply for the sake of helping people.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Do you believe....

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I didn't say it did. However, in light of those types of facts, it is intentionally ignorant to claim that the religious are somehow exempt from the most despicable crimes of humanity. Indeed, they use their religion to hide from prosecution. Even more despicably, people like you allow them to, by continuing to claim nonsense such as the religious having higher morals.

    What is it they say about good men doing nothing? And you justify ignoring these men of god who rape children and preach violence towards gays even as they hire male prostitutes by saying god will deal with them in the afterlife? Gee, how comforting to their living victims.

    It seems to me the religious have strayed much more than have the non-religious. At least we still call a spade a spade. And that is what is wrong with dogmatic and irrational ways of thinking: it gives justification to doing nothing about things like paedophiles in your own ranks. Simply claim No True Scotsman and it's no longer your problem.

    God will sort them out indeed. If you're right about such a god, hopefully he will sort out the wilfully blind who would rather protect their sense of superiority than other human beings as well. Jesus wept, as they say.
    You make a whole lot of assumptions and generalizations about people of faith and me based on the history of the actions of the elitist hierarchy. I don't have any more control over what they do than I do over any government or corporation on this planet nor do I preach their accolades or encourage anyone to join them.

    My Wife and I are "two that gather in HIS name" and nothing more.

    So tell me, what event in your life led to your fall from grace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You make a whole lot of assumptions and generalizations about people of faith and me based on the history of the actions of the elitist hierarchy. I don't have any more control over what they do than I do over any government or corporation on this planet nor do I preach their accolades or encourage anyone to join them.

    My Wife and I are "two that gather in HIS name" and nothing more.

    So tell me, what event in your life led to your fall from grace?
    I'm not assuming anything. Here you are, waving these things away as though they either don't exist or they "don't count, " so that you can claim your beliefs cause moral superiority. You're doing it right here.

    As I said, cold comfort to living victims, as though you could possibly care any less.

    It isn't just the higher-ups either. It's the lower-downs too, who are constantly justifying their own bad behavior, or waving it off because they'll get forgiveness. Are you aware the religious are over-represented in prisons?

    Telling yourself the creator of the universe doesn't think what you did is any big deal is sure an easy way to get away with things, and again, you just wave it off so you can pretend they don't exist -- in droves -- and continue feeling superior for believing in whatever superstitions you do.

    You know, I actually wasn't indoctrinated into any religion growing up. If you're hoping for some kind of sad story, there isn't one -- I just never saw a reason to believe in a god. I went through an exploratory phase when I was a tween because I was curious of what some people saw in it, but dropped it after a while. While some religions are fascinating, none of them made any sense as things to believe in, and I wound up feeling as though the whole thing was kind of silly.

    But it says a lot about your "godliness" that you seem to have been hoping something horrible had happened to me, again, so you could feel superior. Gee, how Christ-like of you.

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    Re: Do you believe....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Ah yes, the childish insults begin. Can't expect better from you god-botherers.
    Those aren't insults. More prophetic warnings than anything.

    I prayed last evening for guidance in dealing with those who mock the Lord.

    "May God hold you in the palm of His hand. ... May the blessing of light be on you" "Through Jesus Christ I ask these things"
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Do you believe....

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    I'm not assuming anything. Here you are, waving these things away as though they either don't exist or they "don't count, " so that you can claim your beliefs cause moral superiority. You're doing it right here.

    As I said, cold comfort to living victims, as though you could possibly care any less.

    It isn't just the higher-ups either. It's the lower-downs too, who are constantly justifying their own bad behavior, or waving it off because they'll get forgiveness. Are you aware the religious are over-represented in prisons?

    Telling yourself the creator of the universe doesn't think what you did is any big deal is sure an easy way to get away with things, and again, you just wave it off so you can pretend they don't exist -- in droves -- and continue feeling superior for believing in whatever superstitions you do.

    You know, I actually wasn't indoctrinated into any religion growing up. If you're hoping for some kind of sad story, there isn't one -- I just never saw a reason to believe in a god. I went through an exploratory phase when I was a tween because I was curious of what some people saw in it, but dropped it after a while. While some religions are fascinating, none of them made any sense as things to believe in, and I wound up feeling as though the whole thing was kind of silly.

    But it says a lot about your "godliness" that you seem to have been hoping something horrible had happened to me, again, so you could feel superior. Gee, how Christ-like of you.
    Sister, you have me all wrong. I don't feel superior to anyone, only blessed by what God has bestowed upon my family.

    Your life has apparently been wonderful up until now and I do hope it continues. However, if there's ever a time you feel alone and vulnerable, God will always be there for you. All you need is to seek him out.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Sister, you have me all wrong. I don't feel superior to anyone, only blessed by what God has bestowed upon my family.

    Your life has apparently been wonderful up until now and I do hope it continues. However, if there's ever a time you feel alone and vulnerable, God will always be there for you. All you need is to seek him out.
    Then I'd reconsider the way you behave, because it certainly seems otherwise.

    At any rate, no, it is not shelteredness that has made me see no reason to believe in a god. My life has not been easy, though none of it has caused my lack of belief -- religion wasn't beaten into my head as a kid, therefore it simply isn't there.

    But when I feel alone and vulnerable, I usually find some combination of my real loved ones, my own competence, and art is more than sufficient for anything I may need.

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    Re: Do you believe....

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Then I'd reconsider the way you behave, because it certainly seems otherwise.

    At any rate, no, it is not shelteredness that has made me see no reason to believe in a god. My life has not been easy, though none of it has caused my lack of belief -- religion wasn't beaten into my head as a kid, therefore it simply isn't there.

    But when I feel alone and vulnerable, I usually find some combination of my real loved ones, my own competence, and art is more than sufficient for anything I may need.
    Good for you. I only offered an alternative.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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