View Poll Results: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

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  • Rural America will win and keep its historical influence in Governance

    3 15.79%
  • Urban America will win and take over Rural Americas influence in Governance

    16 84.21%
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    exactly, the census bureau considers this



    and



    to be "metropolitan areas"
    And a metro area is not the same as a city. Not legally, not practically. All it means is that you live relatively close to a city.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    And a metro area is not the same as a city. Not legally, not practically. All it means is that you live relatively close to a city.
    the pictures I've showed you are lumped In to Seattle's metro area. at the shortest a two hour drive to seattle. virtually no one who lives here works in Seattle.

    this is what I'm saying, Kitsap and Mason counties are not "urban" but by proximity to seattle they're counted as in the metro area, when in reality, they're not. so that's 290,000 people in the metro column who shouldn't be. so when someone is saying urban is better because 80% of americans live in an urban metro area, it's a misleading number.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As opposed to destroyed rural areas?



    Not even a little bit confined to urban areas. In fact, there's probably more pollution in the remote rural areas where they build polluting factories than in cities where all the people live.



    While this bothers you, to many of us the density of cities is a feature, not a bug.



    Finally, a valid point. However, plenty of habitats are destroyed in the clearing for forests for agriculture, or the diverting of rivers. This is a problem, but like the pollution, hardly contained to urban areas.



    And higher incomes and a much higher standard of living to make up for it.

    None of this, of course, has anything to do with my assertion that urban ideas, wealth, culture, and innovation are what drive this country. The thread is about influence. The influence that defines who and what we are as Americans doesn't come from rural living. It comes from the cities. It always has. This has been true since the first city that humans built.
    Higher incomes? Not really. Here's the per capita income for the 5 largest cities in the U.S., as compared to the general figure for the state they're in. If anything, urban residents are worse off...




    NY City $ 22402
    NY State $40272

    LA $27952.
    California $29634

    Chicago. $20175
    Illinois $23104

    Houston. $18813.
    Texas $26019

    Philly $21946.
    PA $29190

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    the pictures I've showed you are lumped In to Seattle's metro area. at the shortest a two hour drive to seattle. virtually no one who lives here works in Seattle.

    this is what I'm saying, Kitsap and Mason counties are not "urban" but by proximity to seattle they're counted as in the metro area, when in reality, they're not. so that's 290,000 people in the metro column who shouldn't be. so when someone is saying urban is better because 80% of americans live in an urban metro area, it's a misleading number.
    I agree with you. Most of the influence, money, and political power in the United States is in the suburbs....the inner cities are hardly the epicenter of influence and affluence some are trying to paint them as.

    This is one thing that distinguishes us from Europe, where urban areas truly are the prime areas

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    Higher incomes? Not really. Here's the per capita income for the 5 largest cities in the U.S., as compared to the general figure for the state they're in. If anything, urban residents are worse off...




    NY City $ 22402
    NY State $40272

    LA $27952.
    California $29634

    Chicago. $20175
    Illinois $23104

    Houston. $18813.
    Texas $26019

    Philly $21946.
    PA $29190
    I can't imagine trying to live in some of those cities on 20K a year. I make 38K and I can't live in seattle really, and seattle isn't as expensive as NYC and LA
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I can't imagine trying to live in some of those cities on 20K a year. I make 38K and I can't live in seattle really, and seattle isn't as expensive as NYC and LA
    Lot of poverty in the inner cities. For every Donsld Trump living in Central Park, there are countless living hand to mouth in poverty in places like chicago's south side.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    I think the poll speaks for itself


    At the end of day arguing that "the word urban really isn't or shouldn't be in suburban and you really shouldn't look at the word that way" is a neat little argument but doesn't correlate with reality at all. Suburban people drive into cities to derive their income. Most suburban areas are expanded cities. You can not like that reality but to deny it is to deny reality both on paper and in every other feasible way.


    Look at all economic activity in America it's based in cities and it's based around suburban people in radius of their cities working in those cities. To claim otherwise is delusion.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You cannot be serious.. (OH wait you are..)





    lol, I am smack in the middle of that dark marroon area of New Jersey.


    Anyhoo, I'm on ten acres, and lots of horse farms around here. Trump does have a gold course....
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post


    And which problem would that be? That we are a prosperous, innovative, and cultured people? Does that really bother you? You can shut off your internet, your TV, and not read any books newer than 1400 if you don't want our terrible urban influence ruining things for you.
    No, it does bother me that you're so deluded. have you been living in the suburbs so long that you've forgotten how bad cities. There are quite a few cities that are struggling these days, I just got back from vacation in Philadelphia, the only thing "prosperous" about that city were a select museums and tourist centers. I have no idea what kind of person would prefer the curses of inner city life, rather than just a simple house with working sewer systems, trees, and not have to worry if someone is going to break into your house and steal your weed.

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