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  • Rural America will win and keep its historical influence in Governance

    3 15.79%
  • Urban America will win and take over Rural Americas influence in Governance

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Almost all farmland is owned by massive agricultural corporations. Big corporations are very much an urban idea. The owners and operators of those big corporations are almost all urban people, educated in urban universities, raised on urban ideas.
    So you are saying the 1%, I thought you meant the unwashed masses living in cities.

    You keep changing it up man.






    No it's not. But you can be in denial if you like. The majority of movies are made by urban people about other urban people. The majority of music (even country music) is made by urban people. Technology is made in urban labs and universities. The computers and software that we're using to have this conversation was created and popularized in urban centers. The bible that you quote in your signature was developed and popularized in urban centers. Even the heavily edited and politicized versions of the bible specifically made for rural Americans were developed and created in urban centers (the New International Version that is the text most bible thumpers quote was designed and developed in New York City and it is a heavily political document tailor made so that you will thump it).

    Most of American culture, even rural American culture comes from urban centers. Now, I don't actually think that it's a contest. Despite everything I've said in this thread, I don't really care where culture comes from or where ideas come from. I just want the best ideas. That they come from urban centers is why I like urban centers and why I live in them. I would never presume that it is the other way around.


    So what rural area are you from?
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    This is basically the fundamental issue of the thread though and I have to say you are overall attacking 80% of America.






    What about Urban or SUBURBAN peoples right to be "Respected" and have their way of life "Respected"? What about my interests as a member of the majority of this country who has to listen to some insidious wanna-be rural politician lecture me about my values while I and people like me pay for the streets to be paved, pay for the public funds said supposed "Rural Values Hero" uses to attack the majority of Americans values and way of life on a daily basis so some suburban mom or dad 5 miles from downtown can sit in their bunko lounger with a smile on their face believing they're "Rural people under attack" (They're not)?


    -What about the 80% of Urban Americans right to be respected?

    -What about 80% of Urban Americans right to their way of life?

    -Why do I have to cater to a 20% minority of Americans and hear how "Bad" 80% of Americans are on a daily if not second by second basis?

    -Why do we 80% of Americans have to sit and hear our values attacked by people who listen to Fake Country Music that isn't country music?




    George Strait hated country music and didn't listen to it in his youth by his own admission. He listened to rock. George Strait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Strait began his musical interest while attending Pearsall High School, where he played in a rock and roll garage band. The Beatles were popular when Strait was in high school. "The Beatles were big", Strait confirmed. "I listened to them a lot and that whole bunch of groups that were popular then". Strait did not tune to the country music radio often as a youth, usually listening to the news and the farmer's report.
    did you honestly think using a larger font would mean something to me?

    I don't give a rats ass about George Strait and I have no idea what he has to do with anything.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Giant corporate entities, the CEO's of which live in cities.
    CEO's don't produce food. Or oil. They don't mine.

    Most of America's wealth originates in rural areas.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Urban ideas determine most of our national culture and policy. They are simply better, more powerful, and more effective ideas. Even when rural conservatives band together to oppose their urban neighbors, it doesn't make a difference. Urban ways still dominate. We're the affluent ones. We're the cultural creators. We're the ones driving innovation, industry, technology, and basically everything else that makes our nation powerful. Rural culture gave us... country music? All the prosperous capitalists who made fortunes in rural areas were urban people with urban ideas. Good ol' boy and Texas rancher W Bush is from New Haven, Connecticut and went to Yale and Harvard. That basically sums up the urban/rural dynamic. Even in rural areas, the successful ideas and culture are the urban ones. Nobody goes to see movies made for rural audiences. They go to see urban Hollywood blockbusters, even cynical patriotic pandering ones like American Sniper (Chris Kyle himself was from metropolitan parts of Texas and Bradley Cooper is from Philadelphia). Even the high rollers in the Republican Party like the Koch Brothers are urban men with urban ideas. They're from Wichita, and David lives in Manhattan. Sheldon Adelson is from Boston and lives in Las Vegas.

    Even rural conservatives are marching to the beat of urban people and their urban ideas. Rural ideas simply have no power.
    Urban people are more affluent....you sure about that one Pasch? A drive through the inner city of pretty much every major American metropolitan area would leave one with a different impression. Baltimore, for example....

    Universities are located in urban areas? Well, would you expect anything else? They're naturally going to be located where the most people can access them. And in the cases where universities are located in rural areas, what happens is that cities spring up around them. I could rattle off a list of "college towns" that are essentially anchored by a major university, but you already know this.

    Urban people are better educated? Again, not sure I buy that entirely, you have to show stats. But even if that were the case, could it be that many of those educated folks are people who come in to the cities from rural areas in search of an education?

    You say that urban ideas are better than rural ideas...yet can you back this up with any stats? And what is an urban idea anyway?

    Cities exist as centers of commerce for rural areas surrounding them. They are a crossroads and a gathering point. But the relationship between rural and urban is symbiotic...one could not prosper without the other.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    The correct answer to this poll is "neither."

    The SUBURBS rule and dominate America in terms of economic, cultural, and political influence.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    CEO's don't produce food. Or oil. They don't mine.

    Most of America's wealth originates in rural areas.

    That's factually incorrect. Cities have more wealth. Your claim (and others) that suburbs represent rural areas is wrong. Suburbs are urban people who work in cities and drive home to their suburbs, which are still almost always part of the city in some legalistic way.

    The average person in rural America isn't wealthy. They're lower middle class just barely but there's very few legitimate "Rural" people (less than 21% of America) so it's hard for people to grasp their true socioeconomic situation. Take the city I live in for instance. It has a massive economy. 50 miles away from it in every direction are true rural areas with small "True" populations of lower middle class rural people. However SOME of those rural areas are upper middle class. How? Because upper middle class doctors and lawyers from the city suburbs decide to build $300,000 houses next to the lower middle class rancher. Does that mean the doctor who drives 50 miles into the city to derive an income every day is a "Rural person"? No. Do they listen to country music and call themselves rural? Very possibly so. I'd say almost surely. Do they fist pump to Rush Limbaugh in their car on the way home from their $200,000+ doctors job in downtown? Perhaps many of them do. Still. They aren't rural. They aren't that rancher who has no degree and has been ranching for the last 4 generations barely being lower middle class.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    The correct answer to this poll is "neither."

    The SUBURBS rule and dominate America in terms of economic, cultural, and political influence.

    The Suburbs are urban-esq people who derive their income from cities..

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    That's factually incorrect. Cities have more wealth. Your claim (and others) that suburbs represent rural areas is wrong. Suburbs are urban people who work in cities and drive home to their suburbs, which are still almost always part of the city in some legalistic way.

    The average person in rural America isn't wealthy. They're lower middle class just barely but there's very few legitimate "Rural" people (less than 21% of America) so it's hard for people to grasp their true socioeconomic situation. Take the city I live in for instance. It has a massive economy. 50 miles away from it in every direction are true rural areas with small "True" populations of lower middle class rural people. However SOME of those rural areas are upper middle class. How? Because upper middle class doctors and lawyers from the city suburbs decide to build $300,000 houses next to the lower middle class rancher. Does that mean the doctor who drives 50 miles into the city to derive an income every day is a "Rural person"? No. Do they listen to country music and call themselves rural? Very possibly so. I'd say almost surely. Do they fist pump to Rush Limbaugh in their car on the way home from their $200,000+ doctors job in downtown? Perhaps many of them do. Still. They aren't rural. They aren't that rancher who has no degree and has been ranching for the last 4 generations barely being lower middle class.
    If it's factually incorrect, hit me with some stats.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    The Suburbs are urban-esq people who derive their income from cities..
    What is "urbanesque?" Is that just some designation you're making up on the fly?

    Many in the cities derive their income from rural areas, so your point is largely moot.

    For the sake of simplicity, "urban" is anyone who lives within the city limits of a major metropolitan city.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    If it's factually incorrect, hit me with some stats.
    You cannot be serious.. (OH wait you are..)



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