View Poll Results: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

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  • Rural America will win and keep its historical influence in Governance

    3 15.79%
  • Urban America will win and take over Rural Americas influence in Governance

    16 84.21%
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    As I said, there are two kinds of people in the world. They have separate descriptions and I believe that they are distinct. Why don't you get that and what is your obsession about only having 2 categories?

    You can attempt to muddy the fact that you don't like that suburbia is an urban culture and place and not a rural one all you like. That doesn't make it true.







    Rural culture and people are less than 21% of America. You trying to claim that suburbia has some "Deep intrinsic connectivity to Rural America" is inherently intellectually dishonest.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    well, I hope the rural folks win.. simply because urban people aren't likely to respect the rural folks way of life or more importantly...their interests.


    in any event, i don't like the question posed... i don't think it's healthy to think in terms of winners and losers ... there's already enough division in the country, there's no need to search out more.

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    Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, I hope the rural folks win.. simply because urban people aren't likely to respect the rural folks way of life or more importantly...their interests.


    in any event, i don't like the question posed... i don't think it's healthy to think in terms of winners and losers ... there's already enough division in the country, there's no need to search out more.
    I'm a fan of rural with technological penetration, personally. Netflix and Amazon Prime in a small city or town, kind of measurement, you know?

    None of the pretentiousness, crime, and busy streets of urban areas, but with the perks of contemporary Internet infrastructure.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    You can attempt to muddy the fact that you don't like that suburbia is an urban culture and place and not a rural one all you like. That doesn't make it true.







    Rural culture and people are less than 21% of America. You trying to claim that suburbia has some "Deep intrinsic connectivity to Rural America" is inherently intellectually dishonest.
    Dishonesty is attributing a quote or opinion that I never made. I get it, you have your axe to grind and I'll leave you to yourself to beat your opinion to death.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Not to nitpick... but when did rural areas have control over governance? I mean, our DOI was signed in Philly. Same as our Constitution. The only 'control over governance' rural areas have ever had could probably be said to be during feudalism and even that is a bit of a stretch. I have nothing against rural folk (real rural folk, not people like myself who just own a house in the middle of nowhere) but the last time they were governing anything were the early days of civilization. I think it's safe to say that the overwhelming majority of the last 5,000 years of recorded human history have been governed from cities and urban settings.

    Again, nothing against the rural folk, but there really is no discussion about who governs. Name the world's top empires, they were all governed from cities. Even the Mongols eventually settled down in cities and started ruling from them. Name the 20th century's major powers. All were governed from cities. When exactly did the rural population 'govern' the rest of a state or nation?
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, I hope the rural folks win.. simply because urban people aren't likely to respect the rural folks way of life or more importantly...their interests.


    in any event, i don't like the question posed... i don't think it's healthy to think in terms of winners and losers ... there's already enough division in the country, there's no need to search out more.


    This is basically the fundamental issue of the thread though and I have to say you are overall attacking 80% of America.






    What about Urban or SUBURBAN peoples right to be "Respected" and have their way of life "Respected"? What about my interests as a member of the majority of this country who has to listen to some insidious wanna-be rural politician lecture me about my values while I and people like me pay for the streets to be paved, pay for the public funds said supposed "Rural Values Hero" uses to attack the majority of Americans values and way of life on a daily basis so some suburban mom or dad 5 miles from downtown can sit in their bunko lounger with a smile on their face believing they're "Rural people under attack" (They're not)?


    -What about the 80% of Urban Americans right to be respected?

    -What about 80% of Urban Americans right to their way of life?

    -Why do I have to cater to a 20% minority of Americans and hear how "Bad" 80% of Americans are on a daily if not second by second basis?

    -Why do we 80% of Americans have to sit and hear our values attacked by people who listen to Fake Country Music that isn't country music?




    George Strait hated country music and didn't listen to it in his youth by his own admission. He listened to rock. George Strait - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Strait began his musical interest while attending Pearsall High School, where he played in a rock and roll garage band. The Beatles were popular when Strait was in high school. "The Beatles were big", Strait confirmed. "I listened to them a lot and that whole bunch of groups that were popular then". Strait did not tune to the country music radio often as a youth, usually listening to the news and the farmer's report.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As opposed to destroyed rural areas?

    yes, as I have no idea what you are talking about.


    Not even a little bit confined to urban areas. In fact, there's probably more pollution in the remote rural areas where they build polluting factories than in cities where all the people live.

    /facepalm



    While this bothers you, to many of us the density of cities is a feature, not a bug.
    really? I like getting home at a reasonable time to see my family. If you like crowds, hey, you are so cosmo man! /facepalm


    Finally, a valid point. However, plenty of habitats are destroyed in the clearing for forests for agriculture, or the diverting of rivers. This is a problem, but like the pollution, hardly contained to urban areas.
    /facepalm

    And higher incomes and a much higher standard of living to make up for it.
    are you kidding me? I guarantee you my "Standard of living" is much higher than anyone in the city. I have land, space, square footage, ammenities, et al.

    I don't have a 4 million dollar 1400 sq foot apartment in midtown. /facepalm take a double.


    None of this, of course, has anything to do with my assertion that urban ideas, wealth, culture, and innovation are what drive this country. The thread is about influence. The influence that defines who and what we are as Americans doesn't come from rural living. It comes from the cities. It always has. This has been true since the first city that humans built.

    lol, so the cities can survive if there was no rural?
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    lol, so the cities can survive if there was no rural?
    Well, we own the land that you farm. And in the next fifty or sixty years, most if not all farming will be done by robots... so yeah, probably. Plus we can afford to import all the food we need from South America. No, a weird mythical revolt of rural people would not starve the city dwellers.

    But that is not not has it ever been my point. My point is about the OP's question. It's about influence. Our culture, our politics, our innovation, our ideas... pretty much everything that makes us Americans... that comes from cities. Influence comes from cities. Even the ideas that drive rural people, including, as I said, the high rollers and the politicians that lead the right wing parties, come from the cities.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Well, we own the land that you farm. And in the next fifty or sixty years, most if not all farming will be done by robots... so yeah, probably. Plus we can afford to import all the food we need from South America. No, a weird mythical revolt of rural people would not starve the city dwellers.
    The **** you talking about? Most people in the city rent.


    But that is not not has it ever been my point. My point is about the OP's question. It's about influence. Our culture, our politics, our innovation, our ideas... pretty much everything that makes us Americans... that comes from cities. Influence comes from cities. Even the ideas that drive rural people, including, as I said, the high rollers and the politicians that lead the right wing parties, come from the cities.

    Not really, but everyone's America is different I guess.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    The **** you talking about? Most people in the city rent.
    Almost all farmland is owned by massive agricultural corporations. Big corporations are very much an urban idea. The owners and operators of those big corporations are almost all urban people, educated in urban universities, raised on urban ideas.

    Not really, but everyone's America is different I guess.
    No it's not. But you can be in denial if you like. The majority of movies are made by urban people about other urban people. The majority of music (even country music) is made by urban people. Technology is made in urban labs and universities. The computers and software that we're using to have this conversation was created and popularized in urban centers. The bible that you quote in your signature was developed and popularized in urban centers. Even the heavily edited and politicized versions of the bible specifically made for rural Americans were developed and created in urban centers (the New International Version that is the text most bible thumpers quote was designed and developed in New York City and it is a heavily political document tailor made so that you will thump it).

    Most of American culture, even rural American culture comes from urban centers. Now, I don't actually think that it's a contest. Despite everything I've said in this thread, I don't really care where culture comes from or where ideas come from. I just want the best ideas. That they come from urban centers is why I like urban centers and why I live in them. I would never presume that it is the other way around.
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