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  • Rural America will win and keep its historical influence in Governance

    3 15.79%
  • Urban America will win and take over Rural Americas influence in Governance

    16 84.21%
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    No actually that's entirely wrong sir lol.

    Suburban has the word urban in it. It doesn't ever equate to "Secret Rural area" just because you want it to. If a place is actually suburban that means it us an urban-esq commercial and economic hub, in other words subURBAN.


    Lol see what I mean? We really are fighting basic logic here..


    Really? so saddle river, nj is urban as is lower manhattan.


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    a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” ( subalpine; substratum), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” ( subcolumnar; subtropical), “secondary,” “subordinate” ( subcommittee; subplot).



    so, lets think about that, "suburban"....



    saddle river, bernards twp, sussex nj.

    are they all "urban"?
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Really? so saddle river, nj is urban as is lower manhattan.


    The prefix "sub-"

    a prefix occurring originally in loanwords from Latin ( subject; subtract; subvert; subsidy); on this model, freely attached to elements of any origin and used with the meaning “under,” “below,” “beneath” ( subalpine; substratum), “slightly,” “imperfectly,” “nearly” ( subcolumnar; subtropical), “secondary,” “subordinate” ( subcommittee; subplot).



    so, lets think about that, "suburban"....



    saddle river, bernards twp, sussex nj.

    are they all "urban"?


    If you truly think this picture is "Rural in any way shape or form" then no amount of logic is going to help I'm sorry to say.

    Yes absolutely it is suburban. To say anything else is 100% wrong sir.

    Last edited by Ryan5; 04-27-15 at 04:29 PM.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Now here's where I (and I think most fellow millennials) would 100% disagree with you (and I believe you are actually incorrect factually so on this).


    Suburban is point in fact urban. No it doesn't have inner-city clutter (although actually that's not true, I've seen numerous city-esq high business buildings in mass suburbia just as high and big as any downtown, they aren't actually that rare). Suburbia is urban. Suburban residents simply don't want to believe it is. It has all the commercial hubs of a city. In many respects modern suburbia is the city writ large. I think in this sense this is the underlying cultural problem of America. Cities died and became the suburbs. With the death of the city came the idea for 80% of Americans residing in cities proverbial offspring, suburbs, that "Okay we aren't urban we're country people because we no longer live in cities". (Whatever that is). The truth is no they aren't. They're living in cities offspring.


    -There's more Starbucks in mass suburbia than there are in most downtown's in America


    -There's more fast food in suburbia than in the average city in America


    It's simply not true that "Suburbia is somehow rural". It is not. It is completely urban. There are bike paths. There are parks. There are massive hospitals nicer than any you'll find downtown. The idea that suburbia is somehow "Secret Rural America" is totally delusional and frankly is the equivalent of living in a fantasy world. (Which I'd argue probably the average suburban person does live in a pseudo fantasy world. They go to Olive Garden and spend $100+ on family dinner, drive home in their Lexus's and then deem themselves country people all while being 50+ miles away from the nearest rural area.)

    Oh my God!!! TREES!!!! We're in the country!!! LoL.. No you aren't. You're 12 minutes from a downtown with millions of people..

    You are saying a lot, but you really aren't saying much. A lot of vague opinions. I have no idea what your basis for your assertion are because I don't know what city you are near. I've already said I'm in the suburbs of Philadelphia. I'm about an hour on a good day from Center City Philadelphia and while I'm closer to a mall bigger than any mall in any US city, it is still very much suburban (still more than 30 minutes from Philadelphia).

    While you are trying to assert that the suburbs are more urban because they have urban in it, I have asserted that there really are 3 separate groups: Rural, Suburban and Urban.

    I'm reminded of an old joke: There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who divide things into two categories and those who don't. You are in the former.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    If you truly think this picture is "Rural in any way shape or form" then no amount of logic is going to help I'm sorry to say.

    Yes absolutely it is suburban. To say anything else is 100% wrong sir.

    Just saw this. This picture is Urban. In the suburbs, people don't park on the street, they have driveways.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    The only reason any political power is in the rural areas is that is where the richer urbanites move to get out of the urban nightmare. The urban environment almost always carries the bulk of the political power because they have far more people, crammed in like sardines. California is a great example. The rural communities up north hated the Central Valley Water project and fought against it. The urban communities down south had all the political power and thus it went through easily.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Like urban blight,
    As opposed to destroyed rural areas?

    air pollution, water pollution, ground pollution,
    Not even a little bit confined to urban areas. In fact, there's probably more pollution in the remote rural areas where they build polluting factories than in cities where all the people live.

    congestion, smaller living space, lack of land ownership,
    While this bothers you, to many of us the density of cities is a feature, not a bug.

    destruction of natrual habitats,
    Finally, a valid point. However, plenty of habitats are destroyed in the clearing for forests for agriculture, or the diverting of rivers. This is a problem, but like the pollution, hardly contained to urban areas.

    high taxes.
    And higher incomes and a much higher standard of living to make up for it.

    None of this, of course, has anything to do with my assertion that urban ideas, wealth, culture, and innovation are what drive this country. The thread is about influence. The influence that defines who and what we are as Americans doesn't come from rural living. It comes from the cities. It always has. This has been true since the first city that humans built.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Just saw this. This picture is Urban. In the suburbs, people don't park on the street, they have driveways.


    Your misgivings seem to be with the fact that suburban America actually means quasi-urban America (and it is). You simply don't like that fact (and I get that, I just don't agree with you on your firm belief that suburbia isn't quasi urban).



    Suburbia is quasi urban that's why it's called suburbia. You know it is. To try and argue that, as you and others are, "Suburbia is really just some distant, long lost rural power base with deep ties to rural America" is such a blatant falsehood not only historically but culturally and economically speaking that I can't just sit here and agree with you for niceties sake. The truth must be upheld amongst the fantasies.

    Okay so here's some suburban area with "driveways". Still to argue this is some "Long Lost Rural Enclave with deep rural ties" is pure lunacy. It's quasi urbanity.




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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    There may be a generational swing to the urban environments, given the proclivity of sub-40 something's flocking to those areas at a greater-than-normal rate.

    Then again, those influences tend to ebb and flow, especially as families are coming to the forefront of their attention.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

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    Rural..
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Your misgivings seem to be with the fact that suburban America actually means quasi-urban America (and it is). You simply don't like that fact (and I get that, I just don't agree with you on your firm belief that suburbia isn't quasi urban).



    Suburbia is quasi urban that's why it's called suburbia. You know it is. To try and argue that, as you and others are, "Suburbia is really just some distant, long lost rural power base with deep ties to rural America" is such a blatant falsehood not only historically but culturally and economically speaking that I can't just sit here and agree with you for niceties sake. The truth must be upheld amongst the fantasies.

    Okay so here's some suburban area with "driveways". Still to argue this is some "Long Lost Rural Enclave with deep rural ties" is pure lunacy. It's quasi urbanity.



    As I said, there are two kinds of people in the world. They have separate descriptions and I believe that they are distinct. Why don't you get that and what is your obsession about only having 2 categories?

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