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  • Rural America will win and keep its historical influence in Governance

    3 15.79%
  • Urban America will win and take over Rural Americas influence in Governance

    16 84.21%
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    The contempt expressed in this thread for rural folks is quite disturbing.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Giant corporate entities, the CEO's of which live in cities.
    Rural..

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We've been fighting the urban vs rural battle since the beginning of this country. It's Hamilton vs Jefferson. Urban has been pretty steadily winning the entire time. That's why we have all these nice things.
    Yes, even Jefferson helped you out when he was president. It is kind of sad that you find pleasure in this all, but I suppose it can't be helped. Afterall, socialists have a tendency to take pride in things they didn't do themselves.

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, even Jefferson helped you out when he was president.
    Yes, even Jefferson realized that his vision of a nation of farmers was stupid.

    It is kind of sad that you find pleasure in this all, but I suppose it can't be helped.
    You don't find pleasure in prosperity, innovation, and culture?

    Afterall, socialists have a tendency to take pride in things they didn't do themselves.
    Maybe one day I'll get through day on this site without some ignorant baffoon rattling off some version of "dur, socialists r eeeebil". I realize that word scares you and that I scare you, but the difference between us is really not our leans. It's that I actually know things, and you demonstrate every day that you are grossly ignorant of everything that we debate about here. I don't honestly know what your point in this post is other than to be upset with me for having things to say and calling myself a socialist at the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    That's interesting you say that, you have some pride in your cities don't you? It's quite short sighted. Have you never thought that maybe you're part of the problem?
    And which problem would that be? That we are a prosperous, innovative, and cultured people? Does that really bother you? You can shut off your internet, your TV, and not read any books newer than 1400 if you don't want our terrible urban influence ruining things for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The contempt expressed in this thread for rural folks is quite disturbing.
    I suppose you read contempt from my posts, didn't you? You're a smart guy, but you have a hell of a victim complex. It's not contempt, it's just reality. Some ideas move mountains, some don't. Rural lifestyles and the ideas that come with it are in the latter category.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Yes, even Jefferson realized that his vision of a nation of farmers was stupid.
    No, not really. He just had some very hard decisions to make and implemented solutions he later came to regret.

    You don't find pleasure in prosperity, innovation, and culture?
    Oh indeed, and that is why I'm a capitalist and not a socialist.

    Maybe one day I'll get through day on this site without some ignorant baffoon rattling off some version of "dur, socialists r eeeebil". I realize that word scares you and that I scare you, but the difference between us is really not our leans. It's that I actually know things, and you demonstrate every day that you are grossly ignorant of everything that we debate about here. I don't honestly know what your point in this post is other than to be upset with me for having things to say and calling myself a socialist at the same time.
    I think what I enjoy the most about socialists is how they run around thinking everyone is ignorant of their ideology and what they support. Tell me, why is it that socialists like to claim they support empowering the people when in practice all they support is empowering the state and punishing those that oppose them? How is it even possible that collectivist goals can in fact empower the individual? Hmm?

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    "Burn down your cities and leave our farms, and your cities will spring up again as if by magic; but destroy our farms and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country." - William Jennings Bryan
    "The knowledge and prudence of the poor themselves, are absolutely the only means by which any general and permanent improvement in their condition can be effected." - Thomas Malthus

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Who produces food again?

    Why Do Cash-Strapped Governments Have Rich Citizens?




    Generational Upper class farmers who live in multi-million dollar mansions who delegate the actual Farm work to illegal aliens who don't speak English. 7/10 these large farms are run by corporations and the "Farmer" only is a farmer on paper. He simply gets a check mailed to his mansion every pay season from said corporation which actually runs the farm at bare-minimum cost no surprise. That's who produces food. Your "Rural Farm Hero" owns at minimum three multi-million dollar homes and likely steps foot on his/her corporate-run farm once or twice a year if that (likely much less).

    I know because my artist grandmother in Houston was an Illinois Corn Farmer. The only thing is she "Farmed Corn in Illinois" from Houston. The corporation runs the farm.



    My grandmother wasn't actually rich but her farm increased in value and eventually her family delegated its running to a corporation. It's the logical conclusion. The point I'm making is there doesn't exist an "American Farming class" anymore. It's all been made efficient modernly so and done via illegal aliens and via high finance in league with corporate America (all very logical tbh). There are no "Rural Farming Heroes" statistically as you claim.
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan5 View Post
    Why Do Cash-Strapped Governments Have Rich Citizens?




    Generational Upper class farmers who live in multi-million dollar mansions who delegate the actual Farm work to illegal aliens who don't speak English. 7/10 these large farms are owned by corporations and the "Farmer" only is a farmer on paper. He simply gets a check mailed to his mansion every pay season from said corporation which actually runs the farm at bare-minimum cost no surprise. That's who produces food. Your "Rural Farm Hero" owns at minimum three multi-million dollar homes and likely steps foot on his/her corporate-run farm once or twice a year if that (likely much less).

    I know because my artist grandmother in Houston was an Illinois Corn Farmer. The only thing is she "Farmed Corn in Illinois" from Houston. The corporation runs the farm.
    Dont like it? Change the laws..

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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The contempt expressed in this thread for rural folks is quite disturbing.

    I don't have any contempt for Rural Americans or rural people in the slightest. They're good people. I come from them so I know they're good people. Nor do I agree with the posts outright attacking Rural Americans or rural people in general. Those posts are wrong. Rural America has its own culture that was once dominant and I respect it a great deal.


    That said you and other posters take unnecessary offense at the basic issue of equal representation in government. 80%+ of America is urban or suburban. Rural America has massive undue influence in our society. Many suburban Americans or even some urban Americans like to think of themselves as "Urban Cowboys in Lexus Sedans". That's simply not true. They aren't rural just because they like going to the rodeo once a year. That doesn't make you rural. Simply because someone likes rural America doesn't mean they're rural. All I'm saying is Rural America has undue influence thanks to Americans having an obsessive "Rural Nostalgia" Complex.



    You aren't "Rural" because you drive a union built, US Federal Govt. Bailed-out GMC or Ford truck..


    Get real people. You aren't "Country".
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    Re: Future Influence: Rural vrs Urban America. Who Wins?

    Clearly the bulk of people actually live in the suburbs. People who over the years who have fled the cities and those areas have slowly encroached on the more rural areas. Most people like living near bigger cities but only until recently, young people didn't want to actually live there after they left school. I think young people have begun to flock to cities because small areas have tried to become more like the suburbs.

    In my own area of Philadelphia, first the people and the companies were in the cities. Then the people started moving to the suburbs so traffic to jobs was mostly toward the cities. Then the companies moved in droves to the suburbs to escape the higher taxes of the city. Then people started working in the suburbs so now traffic to jobs is mostly towards the suburbs. Now the city is enticing companies with tax abatements for companies to move back and there are small areas of the city that are becoming acceptable to surburbanites and the new graduates, but the process is much slower.

    My conclusion is that the suburban areas are much more influential than both. Politically, the Philadelphia suburbs are much more influential on the politics of the state and the country than the huge cities of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, yet the more rural areas between the larger cities still retain influence.

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