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Thread: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    She escalated to "active resistance" in the use of force continuum. That allows for physical control and soft empty hand OR hard. It is about the middle. This drunk driving, child neglecting moron put herself in that spot. She resisted. He did what was allowed and there was an unintended consequence.
    Why don't you list your opinion of the physical punishments police should dole out for various criminal offenses.

    Police groupies often take the position of merely saying "resisted" justifies any level of violence, whether the person is resisting or not, and regardless of the level of resistance.

    Not everyone is as instantly and totally submissive and passive towards government demands as your messages indicate is your view. Some people actually believe they have rights and don't instantly gravel at the feet of government.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To call what that officer did "grappling" shows you have NO clue what grappling is.
    Can't wait to hear your brilliance on the matter...
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Some of the nail salon customers say that she wasn't in complete control of her faculties, so she must have been pretty drunk. Taking that into consideration, this was probably a combination of the officer trying to subdue her by throwing her on the ground and the woman being too flaccid to brace herself.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    You Re forgetting that there were reports of her driving erratically, and they found her car with keys in the ignition.
    You're correct. I did not catch that. So this drunken woman was most certainly putting her child, and others in grave danger, along with all the other stuff she did.

    Good bust. Again, probably didn't plan on causing the face plant, but I have no sympathy for the person.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Don't know what her kid was doing, but I do understand you believe that police should beat up women who are neglecting their kid.

    She did not start fighting and was not resisting in any significant way. I do understand some on the forum do have the opinion that if a person resists any police officer in anyway that is basis to beat the person to death as punishment for that resistance.


    Thank you for the rational, relevant and thoughtful reply.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post


    Thank you for the rational, relevant and thoughtful reply.
    Why she was being arrested has no relevancy to the issue of whether throwing her down onto concrete with no way for her to protect her head nor the officer showing any concerns for potential injury. Accordingly, many are claiming that his doing so was a just PUNISHMENT, rather than a necessity for make the arrest.

    Disagreeing is not resisting. Throwing her down on concrete in that manner was entirely unnecessary to make the arrest and to cuff her. "Resisting" does not justify assault beyond the minimum necessary to make the arrest.

    In fact, there have been literally innocent people including such as doing nothing but just sitting there beaten and crushed to death while being tasered in the face by 5 officers - for which many on the forum claimed this was justified because he had "resisted." "Resisting" is not license to kill, even for police.

    Grabbing someone without permission is technically an assault. THEREFORE, in your theory ANY man could have legally thrown that woman into the concrete like that merely for her grabbing his arm without permission. But, in fact, that man would be arrested for felony assault.

    A woman angrily grabs at you? Just slam her head into concrete and call it "grappling her in self defense against assault." Not a chance in hell that would fly with the police. But it would if the man is police. ONLY if he is police.

    If an officer grabs someone without stating they are being arrested, then that person also could - if possible to do - legally throw that officer's head into concrete like that too, but also that person would be charged with felony assault on a police officer.

    Police groupies have the opinion that being a police officer makes that person exempt from criminal laws and that police have 100,000 times more authority to assault people and act in self defense than non-police citizens do.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Why she was being arrested has no relevancy to the issue of whether throwing her down onto concrete with no way for her to protect her head nor the officer showing any concerns for potential injury. Accordingly, many are claiming that his doing so was a just PUNISHMENT, rather than a necessity for make the arrest.

    Disagreeing is not resisting. Throwing her down on concrete in that manner was entirely unnecessary to make the arrest and to cuff her. "Resisting" does not justify assault beyond the minimum necessary to make the arrest.

    In fact, there have been literally innocent people including such as doing nothing but just sitting there beaten and crushed to death while being tasered in the face by 5 officers - for which many on the forum claimed this was justified because he had "resisted." "Resisting" is not license to kill, even for police.

    Grabbing someone without permission is technically an assault. THEREFORE, in your theory ANY man could have legally thrown that woman into the concrete like that merely for her grabbing his arm without permission. But, in fact, that man would be arrested for felony assault.

    A woman angrily grabs at you? Just slam her head into concrete and call it "grappling her in self defense against assault." Not a chance in hell that would fly with the police. But it would if the man is police. ONLY if he is police.

    If an officer grabs someone without stating they are being arrested, then that person also could - if possible to do - legally throw that officer's head into concrete like that too, but also that person would be charged with felony assault on a police officer.

    Police groupies have the opinion that being a police officer makes that person exempt from criminal laws and that police have 100,000 times more authority to assault people and act in self defense than non-police citizens do.
    All your irrelevant blather aside, claiming I support the beating of women assigns your words as being only worthy of flushing down the toilet.

    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by plutonium View Post
    Would you handle this citizen the same way if you were a cop Texas Officer Slams Allegedly Drunk Woman To The Ground, Knocking Her Out
    No, I would have taken the obviously impaired idiot down in a more careful manner.


    it was imo, over aggressive, but the right move, just applied with too much moxy,.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    I know a woman that was taken down while drunk (and being mouthy) and lost all of her front teeth. This one just seems a little over the top. Drunk people do not have balance control and tend to go down like a sack of potatoes.

    The woman was wasted drunk in the afternoon. Being knocked out is not her biggest problem.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Ordinarily, I'd say it wasn't excessive, since I don't subscribe to the foolish notion of 'excessive force' during violent confrontation. What I call excessive is whatever the defendant deems to be above and beyond whatever it takes to feel safe. Even then, most times only in retrospect. There's no comfortable, time-abundant 'internet discussion' when someone's attempting to clean your clock.

    That said, the officer clearly hesitated before he put her down. That looks to me like spite. Yeah, he's a dick. Her gender and the presence of the child are irrelevant, of course.

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