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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What "hyperbole?" Not sure where "put her child in harms way" unless you think being drunk does that, but what relevancy is that? I see NO attempt to "fight" the police officer. Why not just say then she "attempted to murder a police officer who was desperately trying to save the child's life and own against a deadly pscyhotic killer?"

    She did not "fight" the officer and whether she had endangered her child is irrelevant. He didn't pull a gun, he threw her into concrete.
    The video shows interviews of customers in the salon saying she was acting strangely after entering the shop, and making people I guess, uncomfortable. The cop says to here there have been a bunch of phone calls to the police about her, and he asks her what is going on.

    As she creates all this chaos, what do you think her kid is doing? Do you think her kid is looking out for cars in the parking lot, or any other dangers a 6 year old is likely not paying much attention to while the kids mother rages on? Why are you ignoring that fact?

    Why deny hyperbole when you double down on it with your attempt at equivalence?

    I don't know what video you watched, or even if you watched it, but the fact she started fighting and resisting is well documented by both the video, and witnesses.

    Again, I doubt the cop tried to knock her out, but I don't know that for fact, it's just an assumption, like most of what you have been saying.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Lots, including a couple of weapons. I'm not a stranger to real life scenarios either. Squeamish indeed. What's the point here...? I'm not terribly interested in your pissing contest.
    The point is if you understand how to control a human who doesn't want to be. Especially a dumb drunk one.

    You do not take someone down with the intent of a safe arrest by flinging their head into concrete without attempting to have any control over their fall. Unless you're trying to kill them, I suppose. That is just nonsense. Especially given that she's barely even resisting to begin with, and certainly not fighting. As I said, I'm smaller than her and I could have gotten her into handcuffs while upright no problem. Like is mentioned above, just pull her arm up behind her. Problem solved. She's barely standing, much less capable of fighting in any coherent way. If you think so, update your eye prescription, or just take your psychologically blinding bias to someone who cares to waste their time.
    He didn't "fling her head into the concrete." How dramatic. He pivoted her put her down. It was fast and rough. She resisted arrest. And the BEST part is how you armchair quarter backed this guy on what he SHOULD have done. Great lesson. Never mind that it may not work and cuffing someone on the ground is much easier.

    And my "psychologically blinding bias" does exist. I won't argue. I was almost killed by a drunk driver. He swerved into our lane and swerved back...just in time to miss us. He drove down the road and killed a mother and severely injured a 2 year old child.

    This woman was not only drunk driving...she did it with a child in the car. My sympathy is for the kid. If that woman died...I wouldn't have shed a tear for her. It would have been a shame for that kid. But the only thing I can hope for is that she gets treatment and stops drinking and learns her damn lesson.

    A drunk driver and people who neglect their kids don't get sympathy from me.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The video shows interviews of customers in the salon saying she was acting strangely after entering the shop, and making people I guess, uncomfortable. The cop says to here there have been a bunch of phone calls to the police about her, and he asks her what is going on.

    As she creates all this chaos, what do you think her kid is doing? Do you think her kid is looking out for cars in the parking lot, or any other dangers a 6 year old is likely not paying much attention to while the kids mother rages on? Why are you ignoring that fact?

    Why deny hyperbole when you double down on it with your attempt at equivalence?

    I don't know what video you watched, or even if you watched it, but the fact she started fighting and resisting is well documented by both the video, and witnesses.

    Again, I doubt the cop tried to knock her out, but I don't know that for fact, it's just an assumption, like most of what you have been saying.
    You Re forgetting that there were reports of her driving erratically, and they found her car with keys in the ignition.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The rules and policies of the PD are in place. Your feelings about them matter precisely dick.

    Police dont 'work for the citizens'.
    In this instance they did. They got a drunk driver off the road. And probably kept something bad from happening to that kid...at least for now.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The video shows interviews of customers in the salon saying she was acting strangely after entering the shop, and making people I guess, uncomfortable. The cop says to here there have been a bunch of phone calls to the police about her, and he asks her what is going on.

    As she creates all this chaos, what do you think her kid is doing? Do you think her kid is looking out for cars in the parking lot, or any other dangers a 6 year old is likely not paying much attention to while the kids mother rages on? Why are you ignoring that fact?

    Why deny hyperbole when you double down on it with your attempt at equivalence?

    I don't know what video you watched, or even if you watched it, but the fact she started fighting and resisting is well documented by both the video, and witnesses.

    Again, I doubt the cop tried to knock her out, but I don't know that for fact, it's just an assumption, like most of what you have been saying.
    Don't know what her kid was doing, but I do understand you believe that police should beat up women who are neglecting their kid.

    She did not start fighting and was not resisting in any significant way. I do understand some on the forum do have the opinion that if a person resists any police officer in anyway that is basis to beat the person to death as punishment for that resistance.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    She put her child in danger by taking the child out in public while drunk. Sorry. That is bad parenting 101
    Her conduct towards her child is irrelevant to whether there was basis to throw her into concrete in a way certain her head would hit the concrete.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The rules and policies of the PD are in place. Your feelings about them matter precisely dick.

    Police dont 'work for the citizens'.
    This may come as a total shock to you but "police rules and policyies" aren't law.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That's cute. Try that line of rhetoric next time a cop pulls you over. Especially the "I pay your salary...you work for me" schtick. The cop will think it's a hoot. Promise.
    Certainly anyone who uses that line should be thrown into concrete and nearly beaten to death by multiple officers to show just how wrong that is.

    Unfortunately, some police departments see their existence only for themselves, yes, and decide their policies circumvent law.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I do not deny the probability of danger, just saying it looks like the intention was to ensure an arrest. If he *wanted* to hurt her there are dozens of take-downs expressly designed to use the force of the fall against the opponent. As a grappler, you should know that.
    To call what that officer did "grappling" shows you have NO clue what grappling is.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That was not "a take down" (nor was a "take down" necessary). That was an "I'm tired of messing with this drunk bitch!" throw down.

    Does anyone question that I could find videos of people being killed by being thrown down on concrete or knocked down with their head hitting concrete? Quite a few of those have been posted on the forum in the past. His action was a known potentially lethal action.
    She escalated to "active resistance" in the use of force continuum. That allows for physical control and soft empty hand OR hard. It is about the middle. This drunk driving, child neglecting moron put herself in that spot. She resisted. He did what was allowed and there was an unintended consequence.
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