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Thread: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Thank you for your opinion. I see it differently. She put her child in harms way, attempted to fight a police officer, and he put a stop to an escalating situation. He didn't pull a gun, so your hyperbole doesn't have much place here.
    What "hyperbole?" Not sure where "put her child in harms way" unless you think being drunk does that, but what relevancy is that? I see NO attempt to "fight" the police officer. Why not just say then she "attempted to murder a police officer who was desperately trying to save the child's life and own against a deadly pscyhotic killer?"

    She did not "fight" the officer and whether she had endangered her child is irrelevant. He didn't pull a gun, he threw her into concrete.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Good. So did you get anything more than just that? 3 times a week for me. With opponents from 6'5 to 5'4 (a small 120 lb female actually...who can win when she is fast enough).



    A) His takedown was a classic DT move to put someone down. She was resisting. That was pretty clear, and consistent with witness reports.

    B) Yea I am going to stick up for the cop. He was trying to cuff a drunk who was not only a public nuisance, but also doing a wonderful job neglecting her child. What scares the hell out of me was: how did she get there. Did she drive?

    You clearly don't have any real knowledge of grappling. If you did, you would understand how takedowns are not always pretty. Especially if someone is not compliant. This woman was being arrested. She resisted. What do you want the cop to do? Let her stagger off and get hit by a car? This crazy bitch wasn't even in cuffs yet. It seems to me that you are squeamish because it was violent. Sadly...it sometimes that happens. Your rose colored hindsight glasses shouldn't be what you view this through.

    This woman should be treated like a 300 lb man would be. No special treatment.
    A. He was a punk and a bully who threw that drunk woman into concrete.
    B. Being a nuisance and neglecting her child is not justification to throw her into concrete.
    I have great knowledge of "grappling" and much, much more - and a great deal of personal experience including with drunks for many, many years. All the officer needed to do was lift her right arm higher, which would have caused her to lean forward for the pain whereupon he could have cuffed it. Instead he got pissed off and threw her into the concrete.
    No, he should not have treated her like she was a 300 pound man - because she wasn't a 300 lb man.

    Yes, generally a person can do just about any injuries to a drunk causing problems and get away with. Only bullies and people with psychological problems do so and only a pure asshole would do it to a woman.

    If a bouncer in a bar or just anyone on the street has done that exact thing on video to that woman he'd be in jail charged with felony assault and the club would being sued for a million dollars.

    Just because someone is being defiant and acting like some drunks do - and you have the ability to violently take out that person - particularly a man trained in fighting (all police are to at least some degree) against a drunk woman - doesn't mean you do so. If the officer had to resort to that level of violence against her, then he is 100% totally incompetent to handle any man with any fighting experience or weight training whatsoever.

    Let me ask you, since you said this was "classic" for your training. Do you spar on rough concrete or on mats?
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    That was not "a take down" (nor was a "take down" necessary). That was an "I'm tired of messing with this drunk bitch!" throw down.

    Does anyone question that I could find videos of people being killed by being thrown down on concrete or knocked down with their head hitting concrete? Quite a few of those have been posted on the forum in the past. His action was a known potentially lethal action.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    See...thats why 'opinions' stink. They are based on feelings, emotions, and your wants...not the actual law. The person responsible for interpreting policy and action disagrees with you.
    The person who disagrees with me has a million ($$) reasons to. "It is police policy" does not make anything legitimate, legal or ethical. The "policy" of dealing with people being obstinate is to throw their head into concrete is not an acceptable "policy."

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The person who disagrees with me has a million ($$) reasons to. "It is police policy" does not make anything legitimate, legal or ethical. The "policy" of dealing with people being obstinate is to throw their head into concrete is not an acceptable "policy."
    Change the policy...quit whining about the policy.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    It does not matter how you FEEEEEL about the level to which the officer followed the protocal. Thats between the officer and the department and the department has stated in fact he DID follow protocol. FEEEEELINGS about it are irrelevant.
    You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

    There are laws. Laws that apply to he police as well as non-police. Plus, police work for the citizens. They are not some wholly independent super-secret organization that gets to exist in a bubble with no accountability whatsoever.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

    There are laws. Laws that apply to he police as well as non-police. Plus, police work for the citizens. They are not some wholly independent super-secret organization that gets to exist in a bubble with no accountability whatsoever.
    That's cute. Try that line of rhetoric next time a cop pulls you over. Especially the "I pay your salary...you work for me" schtick. The cop will think it's a hoot. Promise.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    That's cute. Try that line of rhetoric next time a cop pulls you over. Especially the "I pay your salary...you work for me" schtick. The cop will think it's a hoot. Promise.
    Your obtuseness is ineffective. My post had absolutely nothing to do with "I pay your salary...", and I bet you know that. You would have fared better to just silently concede the point by not responding.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    What "hyperbole?" Not sure where "put her child in harms way" unless you think being drunk does that, but what relevancy is that? I see NO attempt to "fight" the police officer. Why not just say then she "attempted to murder a police officer who was desperately trying to save the child's life and own against a deadly pscyhotic killer?"

    She did not "fight" the officer and whether she had endangered her child is irrelevant. He didn't pull a gun, he threw her into concrete.
    She put her child in danger by taking the child out in public while drunk. Sorry. That is bad parenting 101
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Your obtuseness is ineffective. My post had absolutely nothing to do with "I pay your salary...", and I bet you know that. You would have fared better to just silently concede the point by not responding.
    The rules and policies of the PD are in place. Your feelings about them matter precisely dick.

    Police dont 'work for the citizens'.
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