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Thread: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Oh hell no!

    If I was that cop I'd have sung lullabies to her and braided her hair until she fell asleep THEN would have taken her into custody.

    I've dented the hoods of a few cars with the foreheads of drunks. Sometimes you have to take a more assertive approach to get the idiot to shut up and start paying attention.
    And apparently you got away with it and likely there was no dash cam. Hopefully that isn't your profession anymore.

    Slamming people's head into steel or concrete is a known potential lethal action.

    Some people understand the different between being assertive and taking control, and taking an potentially lethal action against someone calling that being assertive, when really it is willing to retaliate by killing that person for their defiance.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    The alternative the officer had was to twist her arm higher on her back, which would cause her to lean forward as he cuffed her other wrist.

    He threw her into the concrete because he was pissed off at him. His was an outburst of personal rage. It is that simple.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The department saying that was correct protocol neither makes it right or legal. Throwing drunk women's head into concrete may be a real power-trip thrill and allow officers to work off frustrations, but it is in my opinion it was a felony assault.
    See...thats why 'opinions' stink. They are based on feelings, emotions, and your wants...not the actual law. The person responsible for interpreting policy and action disagrees with you.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Seriously?

    Your response is an implicit, "But it's so haaard to handcuff a 120-pound woman who's barely on her feet"?

    Good lord, I haven't the patience...
    How much experience do you have grappling?
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    How much experience do you have grappling?
    A bit, actually -- my dad was a big man with a little daughter and didn't want me buying into the social notion that women are helpless.

    And at any rate, you don't need to have any whatsoever to see that what this guy did was wrong. Even an episode of Cops has better examples of how police should do take-downs. I just can't believe there are people defending a cop tossing a woman head-first into concrete while holding her arms back so she can't even catch herself and protect her skull. What is wrong with you?

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    A bit, actually -- my dad was a big man with a little daughter and didn't want me buying into the social notion that women are helpless.
    Good. So did you get anything more than just that? 3 times a week for me. With opponents from 6'5 to 5'4 (a small 120 lb female actually...who can win when she is fast enough).

    And at any rate, you don't need to have any whatsoever to see that what this guy did was wrong. Even an episode of Cops has better examples of how police should do take-downs. I just can't believe there are people defending a cop tossing a woman head-first into concrete while holding her arms back so she can't even catch herself and protect her skull. What is wrong with you?
    A) His takedown was a classic DT move to put someone down. She was resisting. That was pretty clear, and consistent with witness reports.

    B) Yea I am going to stick up for the cop. He was trying to cuff a drunk who was not only a public nuisance, but also doing a wonderful job neglecting her child. What scares the hell out of me was: how did she get there. Did she drive?

    You clearly don't have any real knowledge of grappling. If you did, you would understand how takedowns are not always pretty. Especially if someone is not compliant. This woman was being arrested. She resisted. What do you want the cop to do? Let her stagger off and get hit by a car? This crazy bitch wasn't even in cuffs yet. It seems to me that you are squeamish because it was violent. Sadly...it sometimes that happens. Your rose colored hindsight glasses shouldn't be what you view this through.

    This woman should be treated like a 300 lb man would be. No special treatment.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The alternative the officer had was to twist her arm higher on her back, which would cause her to lean forward as he cuffed her other wrist.

    He threw her into the concrete because he was pissed off at him. His was an outburst of personal rage. It is that simple.
    That was pretty much my take on it. The officer lost it for a second.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Good. So did you get anything more than just that? 3 times a week for me. With opponents from 6'5 to 5'4 (a small 120 lb female actually...who can win when she is fast enough).

    A) His takedown was a classic DT move to put someone down. She was resisting. That was pretty clear, and consistent with witness reports.

    B) Yea I am going to stick up for the cop. He was trying to cuff a drunk who was not only a public nuisance, but also doing a wonderful job neglecting her child. What scares the hell out of me was: how did she get there. Did she drive?

    You clearly don't have any real knowledge of grappling. If you did, you would understand how takedowns are not always pretty. Especially if someone is not compliant. This woman was being arrested. She resisted. What do you want the cop to do? Let her stagger off and get hit by a car? This crazy bitch wasn't even in cuffs yet. It seems to me that you are squeamish because it was violent. Sadly...it sometimes that happens. Your rose colored hindsight glasses shouldn't be what you view this through.

    This woman should be treated like a 300 lb man would be. No special treatment.
    Lots, including a couple of weapons. I'm not a stranger to real life scenarios either. Squeamish indeed. What's the point here...? I'm not terribly interested in your pissing contest.

    You do not take someone down with the intent of a safe arrest by flinging their head into concrete without attempting to have any control over their fall. Unless you're trying to kill them, I suppose. That is just nonsense. Especially given that she's barely even resisting to begin with, and certainly not fighting. As I said, I'm smaller than her and I could have gotten her into handcuffs while upright no problem. Like is mentioned above, just pull her arm up behind her. Problem solved. She's barely standing, much less capable of fighting in any coherent way. If you think so, update your eye prescription, or just take your psychologically blinding bias to someone who cares to waste their time.
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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Yeah, she was within half a second of killing the officer.

    The conduct of the officer throwing her to the ground was completely unacceptable. He could have killed her doing that.
    Thank you for your opinion. I see it differently. She put her child in harms way, attempted to fight a police officer, and he put a stop to an escalating situation. He didn't pull a gun, so your hyperbole doesn't have much place here.

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    Re: Do you feel this policeman handled this woman withen police guidelines?

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    Surprisingly, I think I may side with the officer on this one. Disagreeing with the officer is not cause to resist arrest, odds are it will only elevate the situation. Like what happened in this case. The dash cam clearly shows the officer tried to get her to comply with minimal force, she continued to try to pull out of it, and I'm not surprised she was eventually put on the ground to give the officer a better condition to secure the arrest. Her being knocked out does not look like the intention.
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