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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    At the end of the day, someone is going overboard. You can draw straws, play rock paper scissors, king of the raft, whatever, but two men live, one man dies. Mankind survives. These questions arent as difficult in real life as people want them to be. The 'noble' thought of all three dying together is just plain stupid.
    But in order to survive you have to kill someone in cold blood, if you dont think the choice between living and murdering an innocent person is a difficult choice you are a horrible person

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    But in order to survive you have to kill someone in cold blood, if you dont think the choice between living and murdering an innocent person is a difficult choice you are a horrible person
    Im a realist. It will be a difficult choice. It will happen. That all Im saying. The fact that you want to rush to the "you are a horrible person!" part means your ass is probably the one going overboard.

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im a realist. It will be a difficult choice. It will happen. That all Im saying. The fact that you want to rush to the "you are a horrible person!" part means your ass is probably the one going overboard.
    Except you just claimed it wasnt a difficult choice, notice I didnt say that you were a horrible person only that a person who thinks that the choice between dying and murder is easy is a horrible person thats not an opinion thats a fact.

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Except you just claimed it wasnt a difficult choice, notice I didnt say that you were a horrible person only that a person who thinks that the choice between dying and murder is easy is a horrible person thats not an opinion thats a fact.
    Where did I say it wouldnt be a difficult CHOICE? I said the morals QUESTION is not as difficult as people want to make it be. Do you need help with the distinction?

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Where did I say it wouldnt be a difficult CHOICE? I said the morals QUESTION is not as difficult as people want to make it be. Do you need help with the distinction?
    the choice is the morals question, a distinction without a difference

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    the choice is the morals question, a distinction without a difference
    You are fooling yourself if you think this would be a dilemma. The decision would be made. The speed at which the decision would be made on who would die would be in direct proportion to how rapid the raft was sinking. If there was time for nobility, someone would probably make a noble choice. If there wasnt time....someone would make the choice for the three. The others may or may not resist. Either way...done.

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    Re: Moral question

    Just a quick reminder for everyone.

    What happens later is unknown. The reason you're given the option to not forsake any is because of the possibility that something good may happen and all may be saved. This is not an easy mathematical problem of "2 is better than none."

    In fact, strict math like that means little. The big idea is: do you gamble to save all or go for a safer route and sacrifice one?

    There is a little more to this question than simple math. My bad for not clarifying that.
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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    At the end of the day, someone is going overboard. You can draw straws, play rock paper scissors, king of the raft, whatever, but two men live, one man dies. Mankind survives. These questions arent as difficult in real life as people want them to be. The 'noble' thought of all three dying together is just plain stupid.
    Fail, refer to the above post. This is a question that takes into account mainly whether it's better to gamble for a possible great future or make a safe (throw someone's ass off) bet for a good future.
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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    There are three human beings on a raft out in the sea. They are all rather the same; each is your average Joe, a good guy who does his work and gets along well with those around him.

    This raft however is made of a material that doesn't have enough buoyancy to be able to keep all three men afloat, evident by its slow descent into the water the longer the three men stay on it. The water below is icy cold and the temperature combined with the moisture is enough to kill a man after hardly a dozen minutes of exposure (guy becomes unconscious and then drowns/dies of hypothermia).

    The raft does however, have the buoyancy to support two guys.

    Should one be forsaken? Simple moral question, there is no right or wrong. But this is mainly a test to see what you would do.

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    There is no other option. You either forsake this man or have him hang on with the rest. You may give reasoning and you may debate other's reasoning.
    The real question is what does life mean to you? Existence is surely the main part of it, but is it truly the most important part and if so, then why do people sacrifice themselves for others? Maybe love has some impact?
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    Re: Moral question

    Being God, I would place an island where they would run into it soon (before they got all murderous).

    Since I would know what was in their hearts, as well as their minds, they better not get to murderous thinking any time too soon. Obviously, two would be thinking murder. One would not. That one would find a sharp box cutter in his front pocket when he was bobbing in the cold ocean water. Swim under the raft and suddenly it wouldn't support anyone.
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