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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    The bottom option to not forsake the "last guy" (throw his ass off the raft). Teamwork would fall under no one being forsaken right off the bat and taking the chance that something good, a boon of sorts, would come soon.
    Under the scenario presented, North Atlantic, 1 in for 10, out for 20, someone dies from hypothermia as damage accumulates. Fact. No recovers in time freebee the next cold chill 10 minute dip. Check the stats on NA cold weather in the seas.
    It is a slow form of suicide.
    We all die or one dies.
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    Re: Moral question

    If I am not on the boat, then there is no way I would decide...they can decide for themselves.

    And if I am on the boat, there are ALWAYS alternatives (I don't care if the scenario says there is or is not - kobayashi maru).

    Is one or more of them married? Does one or more have children? How old are they? Does any of them have ANY physical conditions or limitations? What are each of their ages? And on and on...too many unknown variables possible to decide without more info.
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    Re: Moral question

    Presence of the 3rd likely overrides any decision making, as the other two will start fighting or conspire to throw you overboard if you do nothing. If you do survive, in the US you'll probably be charged with murder too, turning your moral question into a legal one.

    I recall a case where there were two guys sailing amidst a huge storm, and there was one life preserver left. The guy who grabbed it upon returning to land was arrested and charged with murder...however the other guy managed to survive and was later rescued. By the time he returned, the 1st was in jail awaiting trial. So even without a body or any evidence of a struggle, and despite having no alternative, that is how our legal system works

    The real moral question for me is whether you steer the raft for peru instead
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    Re: Moral question

    There was a case of this long ago. A sailing ship sunk. Not enough room in the lifeboat. The Captain put some out claiming this necessary to save some. He was convicted of murder, but given a nominal sentence.

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    Re: Moral question

    Given the exact specifics? Draw lots and the 2 who win put the loser out IF the sinking was imminent. If not, that decision not made until it is.

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    So is the right to life of two men greater than the right to life of one? Does life then have a value?
    What kind of math do they teach in your school?

    For how the question is presented, the final moral question is are two lives worth more than none.

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    There are three human beings on a raft out in the sea. They are all rather the same; each is your average Joe, a good guy who does his work and gets along well with those around him.

    This raft however is made of a material that doesn't have enough buoyancy to be able to keep all three men afloat, evident by its slow descent into the water the longer the three men stay on it. The water below is icy cold and the temperature combined with the moisture is enough to kill a man after hardly a dozen minutes of exposure (guy becomes unconscious and then drowns/dies of hypothermia).

    The raft does however, have the buoyancy to support two guys.

    Should one be forsaken? Simple moral question, there is no right or wrong. But this is mainly a test to see what you would do.

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    There is no other option. You either forsake this man or have him hang on with the rest. You may give reasoning and you may debate other's reasoning.
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    Re: Moral question

    Either one man dies, or three men die. The choice is pretty obvious, one has to go overboard.

    There's really no good choice in this sort of situation, just a lesser of two evils, and the lesser evil is to save as many people as you can, since saving all of them isn't an option.

    Edit: I'll note that letting one of them drown would be my last choice. I'd search for other solutions first, like letting each of the three take turns in the water, throwing other gear overboard, etc.
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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    There are three human beings on a raft out in the sea. They are all rather the same; each is your average Joe, a good guy who does his work and gets along well with those around him.

    This raft however is made of a material that doesn't have enough buoyancy to be able to keep all three men afloat, evident by its slow descent into the water the longer the three men stay on it. The water below is icy cold and the temperature combined with the moisture is enough to kill a man after hardly a dozen minutes of exposure (guy becomes unconscious and then drowns/dies of hypothermia).

    The raft does however, have the buoyancy to support two guys.

    Should one be forsaken? Simple moral question, there is no right or wrong. But this is mainly a test to see what you would do.

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    There is no other option. You either forsake this man or have him hang on with the rest. You may give reasoning and you may debate other's reasoning.
    It would be virtuous for one to get off and thereby save the others. But it would be wrong (and punishable by long periods of incarceration) to push one off involuntarily.

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    Re: Moral question

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    P.S. You are not part of this, rather, picture yourself as one who pulls the "strings" of the three men. Remember they are all of the same caliber.
    Picture myself as God? Well then I'd do whatever my infinite wisdom suggested.

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