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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    This country worked just fine when half of the population could not vote.



    Because the poor, naturally responding to incentives, will vote to enrich themselves, whether it is ethical or good for the long term outlook of the country.
    Do not the rich also vote to enrich themselves? Don't many people vote their own self interest?

    So we should disenfranchise blacks, women and white guys who aren't homeowners?

    And btw I'd point out that we were a slave nation back then. Not my idea of "worked just fine"
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Did you miss my sarcasm?
    Or are you for what I posted. if so post that.
    I meant what I wrote.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Do not the rich also vote to enrich themselves? Don't many people vote their own self interest?
    Yes, many do vote in their own self-interest. I do not support democracy by any means. At least with a narrower voting base the poor won't just vote to confiscate wealth from productive sectors of society in order to enrich themselves. Yes, if only the rich vote, they can enrich themselves, but in doing so they will face the threat of revolt from the poor. When the poor vote themselves more money, what are the rich going to do about it?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I meant what I wrote.
    Many classes of citizens.
    Care to divide them up?
    What levels. So many to pick from.
    Something out of Chung Kuo.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But for the right, it's only about money.
    Practically every law that elected officials create is about money.Laws cost money to enforce. Laws can effect the pocket books of certain individuals. This whole not wanting welfare recipients to vote idea is due to the fact these people tend to vote for democrats.Money is merely an excuse to try to deny these people the right to vote.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Practically every law that elected officials create is about money.Laws cost money to enforce. Laws can effect the pocket books of certain individuals. This whole not wanting welfare recipients to vote idea is due to the fact these people tend to vote for democrats.Money is merely an excuse to try to deny these people the right to vote.
    An excuse? The right to vote?

    Would you ever give the your typical welfare recipient (or anyone for that matter) your pin code? If not, then why would you allow them to vote over how much money the government takes from you?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Those who have contempt for rights should lead by example and be the first to give them up.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Those who have contempt for rights should lead by example and be the first to give them up.
    Done. I don't vote.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    An excuse? The right to vote?
    I am sure if welfare recipients voted for right wingers you would have no problem with them.

    Would you ever give the your typical welfare recipient (or anyone for that matter) your pin code?
    That is a irrelevant question. No one would give their pin number to anyone regardless of how trust worthy that person is or isn't.
    If not, then why would you allow them to vote over how much money the government takes from you?
    Using that logic those who support outsourcing shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how outsourcing takes jobs away from Americans and has a negative impact on their pocket book. Those who support Israel shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how we give some our tax dollars to that country.Those who think we should help those in the middle east against ISIS should not be allowed to vote seeing how that will cost us money.Those who want border security should not be allowed to vote seeing how that costs us money.Those who want amnesty should not be allowed to vote seeing how they will effect the wages of Americans who work those jobs. People who want police, fire departments and other infrastructure shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how those things cost us money.People who want public roads should not be allowed to vote seeing how those things cost us money to build and maintain. I could go on and on about things that cost tax payers money.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The point is that those with little wealth would prefer to vote themselves more wealth, even to the detriment of the long term health of the country, even though it would be immoral.
    People with little aren't the only ones voting their pocketbook. The wealthy do too. Look what the Chamber of Commerce has spent to lobby to legalize undocumented workers? They spend a lot of money for influence so business folks can get cheap labor. They sure don't have the best interest of the country only their profit margin.

    Edit- the spending has got to get under control. People need job opportunities. Mountains of feckless regulations need removed to promote economic growth. The more government does to promote good jobs, there will be less collecting welfare. At the same time tighten the requirements so that only those who truly need assistance get it and no more passing out disability for a hangnail. Deal with consolidating all the different Welfare programs to cut out fraud. Implement a tax code that all pay something into. At the same time cut the corporate welfare and get the government out of the practice of choosing winners and losers. If your business fails bye bye. No more bailouts for anyone. I think that covers it.
    Last edited by vesper; 04-22-15 at 08:41 PM.

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