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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    That isn't always true. I've known plenty of people that voted Republican. Kentucky has a lot of very poor areas and Obama didn't do good in many of the rural areas that are on welfare. Although historically the last 80 years, Kentucky has always voted for the winning candidate. A more appropriate question may be "If you're on welfare do you always vote for a Democrat, as long as the candidate isn't black?"
    Maybe there are lots of Independents in KY.

    I know there are than a few poor folks.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Fine then. Please feel free to just scroll over my posts or is there a way to put people on ignore here? If so please put me on ignore. Then you won't feel so much effrontery and won't be so astounded. I will do the same. I generally feel pretty much vindicated when folks start attacking me instead of what I post. It's a dead giveaway that I probably got it right.
    if means the have run out of an argument, and switch to confrontation based on their feelings.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The expense in question was for French refugees from the Haitian Revolution. (wiki)
    that is correct, but madison is making the argument, how can money be given to Haitians, then the constitution does not permit giving money to people.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Um, it's already been established that the wealthiest among us vote themselves subsidies.
    they do not vote themselves anything, they hire people to lobby congress for what they desire, and the ability of lobbying congress is because the congress has become a democratic body...which faction thrives in.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution does not permit giving money to people.
    Of course, the USC prohibits Congress from spending, whether it is foreign aid or domestic social programs. SNAP is un-constitutional. You used to make standing on your head arguments, now your fundamentalist POV has gone off into nether regions.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    This is such a difficult question when it is evaluated objectively and outside of partisan propaganda, political correctness police action, and other emotion-charged responses.

    I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who pay no federal taxes would have ability to vote for people who pledge to raise taxes on everybody else.

    I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who are little or not at all affected by increases in property taxes have ability to vote on initiatives that will raise those taxes for property owners.

    And I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who are supported by the rest of us have ability to vote for those who pledge to keep the gravy train going for those who are supported and thereby increase the burden on those of us who are footing that bill.

    It is the righteous sense that those who pay the bills should be the ones to vote on how much of those bills they are willing to pay.

    And that righteous sense is made very difficult weighed against the concept of one citizen, one vote.
    According to your logic, should rich people have more leverage in the vote?
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by idea_steed View Post
    According to your logic, should rich people have more leverage in the vote?
    Not at all. My logic is strictly focused on the problem we have with those who have no dog in the fight and who will suffer no negative consequence from their vote and/or those who hope to profit at the expense of others with their vote. Degree of profit and negative consequence is of little importance.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Of course, the USC prohibits Congress from spending, whether it is foreign aid or domestic social programs. SNAP is un-constitutional. You used to make standing on your head arguments, now your fundamentalist POV has gone off into nether regions.

    the constitution is clear.. it states what powers are delegated to the the federal government, and their are NO powers of the federal government into the personal life's liberty and property of the people, ..those are state powers.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Not at all. My logic is strictly focused on the problem we have with those who have no dog in the fight and who will suffer no negative consequence from their vote and/or those who hope to profit at the expense of others with their vote. Degree of profit and negative consequence is of little importance.
    i have read your post over and over on the point you are making, however some people are not able to grasp your simple premise.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have read your post over and over on the point you are making, however some people are not able to grasp your simple premise.
    Well that is true. But I wonder why it is that those who can't grasp it are nevertheless dead certain I am not only wrong, but evil.
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