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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Where did I assert tax-paying seniors should not vote?
    You don't remember saying that those with conflicts should not vote?
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    So, basically only people with money can vote themselves handouts?
    I haven't even taken a firm position on this, actually, I've merely offered the theoretical explanations for why dependents and net-recipients of tax dollars (who don't pay taxes) could justifiably be considered ineligible to vote, or still eligible but with their vote weighted to account for their dependency.

    If what I've said is so outrageous, you must be beside yourself with outrage that children can't vote. Are you?

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I haven't even taken a firm position on this, actually, I've merely offered the theoretical explanations for why dependents and net-recipients of tax dollars (who don't pay taxes) could justifiably be considered ineligible to vote, or still eligible but with their vote weighted to account for their dependency.

    If what I've said is so outrageous, you must be beside yourself with outrage that children can't vote. Are you?
    Great red herring. This isn't about children voting. It's about those you don't want to have a right to vote due to special interest.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I read the article, and many others by Walter Williams on the subject. Also I have read many other qualified historians who have written on the subject. And all who approach it from the actual results rather than theory agree that by and large, poverty is not the cause of crime.
    You keep repeating this but it isn't proven true by your links nor your statements. It's a simple truth. Taxes ensure that people generally don't engage in the revolutions we saw at the beginning of the century.

    I grew up during a period when, by modern standards, most people were poor. But there was virtually no crime more serious than somebody swiping a donut off the counter at the drug store or stealing corn or watermelons from a farmer's field. (Most of us didn't steal the donut but did steal the corn and watermelons.) Of course in those days, corn sold for a penny an ear and you could buy a huge watermelon for a dime.
    Did you grow up in the 1930s? Cause that's about the only way your statement is true and even then, it ignores quite a few events going on around the world which disprove your claim. The system we have today ensures we don't fall back into the dark ages of bread riots, armed rebellions and major struggles within our societies.

    If you think I'm wrong tell me the last time we had a violent populist movement in the US. When was the last time France saw a violent populist movement? When it was suddenly unable to fulfil the promises the state had made. Even then, it disappeared within a year. Granted, if the system fails we'll the riots anyways, but my statements aren't anything out of this world. Taxes ensure a social stability that a low taxation and a small or non-existent social net simply can't.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post

    I grew up during a period when, by modern standards, most people were poor. But there was virtually no crime more serious than somebody swiping a donut off the counter at the drug store or stealing corn or watermelons from a farmer's field. (Most of us didn't steal the donut but did steal the corn and watermelons.) Of course in those days, corn sold for a penny an ear and you could buy a huge watermelon for a dime.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I vote for democrats and I've never collected a cent in welfare
    I was a dumbass once in my youth but, I never collected a dime other than unemployment insurance.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I disagree. The politicians enrich themselves greatly while in office. And those who promise lots of freebies, goodies, and gratuitous money get the vote from those who hope to receive it. No politician who depends on the welfare vote and/or low income vote to keep his seat is going to stop promising those freebie or delivering on at least some of his/her promises.
    No politician relies on those on welfare though. They almost always make up the lowest percent of the voters. The lowest income brackets, which would be the ones on welfare, vote the least.

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    Take for example President Obama. In the 2012 election, according to at least one calculation, only about 3% of the votes Obama got were from those on welfare.

    Welfare Recipients Are a Tiny Part of Obama's Base*|*Daniel Altman
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Great red herring. This isn't about children voting. It's about those you don't want to have a right to vote due to special interest.
    What is the reason children don't (can't) vote?

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What is the reason children don't (can't) vote?
    ...because they are minors.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    ...because they are minors.
    So what? Why don't we allow minors to vote or do other adult things?

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