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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have a hard time equating 'patriotic duty' with the incentive to vote for the guy who promises the most freebies.
    It sounds like you want to disenfranchise the entire Democratic party.

    You cannot possible control who votes over a opposing parties platform.

    You dont see a problem with that?

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    I read the posts. I gave my opinion. You live in a Democracy. If you want special treatment based on wealth, well Russia is a perfect example.
    No, I do not live in a Democracy. Nor do you if you live in the USA. We live in a representative republic. And I don't believe I have ever in my life said I want special treatment based on wealth. I am darn sure I have not argued that in this thread.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And I don't believe I have ever in my life said I want special treatment based on wealth. I am darn sure I have not argued that in this thread.
    No, you want special treatment for those without certain levels of wealth.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No, I do not live in a Democracy. Nor do you if you live in the USA. We live in a representative republic. And I don't believe I have ever in my life said I want special treatment based on wealth. I am darn sure I have not argued that in this thread.
    Still a democracy.
    My Bad- I should have stated- if those who want special treatment............................It was directed to those that think like that.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    And now gentlemen, (and ladies if any are present), I believe I have stated my case. And the arguments are becoming tediously circular and it gets boring correcting the mischaracterizations of my arguments.

    So I will leave you at this point. If anybody is brave enough to wade on the concept of whether one Citizen should have the ability to vote benefits for himself at the expense of others, we can revisit that. But so far nobody has been that brave.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post

    I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.--James Madison.
    The expense in question was for French refugees from the Haitian Revolution. (wiki)
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And now gentlemen, (and ladies if any are present), I believe I have stated my case. And the arguments are becoming tediously circular and it gets boring correcting the mischaracterizations of my arguments.

    So I will leave you at this point. If anybody is brave enough to wade on the concept of whether one Citizen should have the ability to vote benefits for himself at the expense of others, we can revisit that. But so far nobody has been that brave.
    In theory, no, but our laws are already deeply this way. Even more so than need-based welfare is the senior pension programs (Social Security and Medicare). These are structured to be paid by the subsequent two generations and we are now at the tipping point where future beneficiaries will get less from the program than they have to pay into it, whereas all prior generations got more from the program than they had to pay in. Considering seniors vote in higher proportions than any other demographic, both parties cater to them and therefore we are throwing most of our social spending dollars at the seniors who, generally speaking, need it least.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    In theory, no, but our laws are already deeply this way. Even more so than need-based welfare is the senior pension programs (Social Security and Medicare). These are structured to be paid by the subsequent two generations and we are now at the tipping point where future beneficiaries will get less from the program than they have to pay into it, whereas all prior generations got more from the program than they had to pay in. Considering seniors vote in higher proportions than any other demographic, both parties cater to them and therefore we are throwing most of our social spending dollars at the seniors who, generally speaking, need it least.
    So the answer, once again, is to disenfranchise the elderly.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So the answer, once again, is to disenfranchise the elderly.
    Most of our social spending goes to the least needy demographic. The answer is not to "disenfranchise the elderly," it's to stop trying to administer social programs as defined benefit pensions. This isn't working, we've known for decades it isn't working, yet we've done nothing. Why? Because seniors vote. You have no problem with that?

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Most of our social spending goes to the least needy demographic. The answer is not to "disenfranchise the elderly," it's to stop trying to administer social programs as defined benefit pensions. This isn't working, we've known for decades it isn't working, yet we've done nothing. Why? Because seniors vote. You have no problem with that?
    I see you have decided not to reference the OP, to ignore the context of the debate, and have decided to try to turn this into yet another "SS is killing us, I tells yah!". This thread is not about modifying social programs, it is about:

    Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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