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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You responded to Rogue, not me, with the negative variant OF THE QUESTION I ASKED YOU.

    Not only won't you answer me, you have the audacity to flip the question and demand it be answered by someone else. I have never seen such a display of sheer effrontery in avoiding a question and in nearly the same breath, turning around and posing the negative to another. Absolute non-conscience posting, it is astounding.
    Fine then. Please feel free to just scroll over my posts or is there a way to put people on ignore here? If so please put me on ignore. Then you won't feel so much effrontery and won't be so astounded. I will do the same. I generally feel pretty much vindicated when folks start attacking me instead of what I post. It's a dead giveaway that I probably got it right.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    So your argument is that even if you had the money to by the corn and the watermelon, you still would steal it.
    Absolutely. It was fun. And the farmers pretty much expected it and got as much kick out of it as we did. Nobody ever got more than one melon or a few ears for supper. One farmer in particular used to love to lie in wait for us kids to sneak out to the field to steal a watermelon and scare the bejeebers out of us. And then everybody would have a good laugh and the farmer sometimes invited us all in for cookies and ice tea. (We did have the money to buy the corn and watermelon.) If somebody couldn't afford the corn or melons, then all the better that the farmers allowed a bit of gleaning from the fields.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Try reading that again. Not being allowed to vote oneself benefits at the expense of others is a very different thing than not being allowed to vote.
    WTF?

    LOL....are you sure about trying to make this tiny semantic fiction the crux of your new dishonest argument? You have been arguing that the poor should not be allowed to vote for those politicians who will keep their benefits in place.....as if that is the entirety of the politicians efforts. Denying a vote for a politician is a denial of influence on a host of issues.

    This is some of the most convoluted, wacky posting I have ever read.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    There is something wrong with a persons thinking when money defines basic rights.
    That the poor are useless and just suck up resources.
    Dammed sad state of affairs and worse is how prevalent it has become.
    Almost as damned sad state of affairs as when basic rights are confused with an issue of what one Citizen can demand of another's property and evenmoreso when that is interpreted as the poor are useless and just suck up resources.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Absolutely. It was fun.
    I see, so by extension, theft, car theft, shoplifting....the primary motivation is "fun", not economic gain/need.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Fine then. Please feel free to just scroll over my posts or is there a way to put people on ignore here? If so please put me on ignore. Then you won't feel so much effrontery and won't be so astounded. I will do the same. I generally feel pretty much vindicated when folks start attacking me instead of what I post. It's a dead giveaway that I probably got it right.
    I am attacking what you posted and for your lack of posting an answer to a question you decided to flip and use on another poster....who you thought was me. It is the entirety of it, not only the content, but the process.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I do not believe it is an impossibility. I believe we once had a system in which people were not allowed to vote themselves benefits at the expense of others. I would like that system restored. In such a system, if you vote for taxes to be raised, you are voting for your own taxes to be raised too and not just the other guy. In such a system, if you vote for the government to provide you with a certain benefit, everybody gets the same benefit without respect for demographics or socioeconomic circumstances.

    And I will never agree to vote for government in which pragmatism trumps moral convictions.
    I see the problem. You want to turn back the clock to a version of America that never ****ing existed.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    That is our entire system. Only one group is winning the game.
    But winning and losing is a different subject. I am focused on the ethics of whether Citizen A has a 'right' to demand that Citizen B support Citizen A and the ethics of Citizen A being able to vote on how much of Citizen B's resources Citizen A will be able to take.

    That is the elephant in the room that so far nobody has been willing to address at face value. Not even the conservatives who apparently mostly voted "yes' in the poll options but who won't touch that question with a ten foot pole. It is a very politically incorrect question and extremely uncomfortable for the intellectually honest to address. (The intellectually dishonest will change it into something else they can more easily condemn.)

    I know this mostly by the amount of abuse I am taking on this thread because I'm sticking to that particular concept.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Almost as damned sad state of affairs as when basic rights are confused with an issue of what one Citizen can demand of another's property and evenmoreso when that is interpreted as the poor are useless and just suck up resources.
    I read the posts. I gave my opinion. You live in a Democracy. If you want special treatment based on wealth, well Russia is a perfect example.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I see the problem. You want to turn back the clock to a version of America that never ****ing existed.
    It didn't? I believe you won't find any semblance of federal welfare in the early years of the USA, and you'll be hard put to find any of the Founding Fathers who thought such was allowed by the U.S. constitution.

    “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”--James Madison.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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