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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If we feel that the current government has become too corrupt, do we as citizens have the right to reject that government in favor of one more in line with respecting our natural rights?

    John Locke must not have been one of your sources
    people have a right to alter or abolish their government.....but they cannot create rights for themselves.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    The theory is that no one votes against their own interests and if snap benefits were facing cuts recipients would be less likely to vote for the cutting candidate and an election may become more competitive.

    I have not studied this in any scientific way so I don't have any idea if it's true
    Yet here you are, arguing it, not knowing if it is true. I will ask you again, do you think politicians will stop becoming wealthy because SNAP recipients lose their franchise?
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    No question about it. But when an ability to vote includes trampling on the rights of others, it is fair game to question and evaluate that.
    No one is trampling on your rights just because politician A makes some promise (that likely won't be kept anyway) promised one out of hundreds of things for a group of people, and some of those receiving vote for that person. That politician might have promised hundreds of different things to hundreds or thousands of different groups, for tons of reasons. That doesn't mean everyone who voted for them did so due to any one or more of those promises specifically.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    people have a right to alter or abolish their government.....but they cannot create rights for themselves.
    And if people can alter or abolish their government, they can also demand that the government give the citizens the right to vote as a condition in order to earn their consent to be governed?
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    wrong.......under original constitutional law.....taxes are placed on commerce...which is a voluntary exchange..there is no forced constitutional taxation until the 16th

    forced taxation violates the founding principles of the declaration of independence, ..which is recognized by u.s. federal law.
    Original constitutional law? Lol. Taxes are placed on commerce with the threat violence. If you don't pay your taxes, the system goes after you. It's really that simple. The founders understood this. That's how the British crown enforced it, that's how it was always enforced in every system. This absurd notion that they weren't going to enforce taxation through violence is simply anachronistic.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yet here you are, arguing it, not knowing if it is true. I will ask you again, do you think politicians will stop becoming wealthy because SNAP recipients lose their franchise?
    I didn't argue it, I explained it for you.

    However your hypothetical is an easy answer, if a congressman loses office and has no other influence in Washigton, yes they will lose financially
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is the intermediary step between voting and getting said benefit.



    That is not what the OP posted, that is what you twisted it, by virtue of your libertarian POV, into.

    This is the OP:

    Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?

    Oh, once again....THE IRONY!!!!

    I just said:

    You have not shown how citizen "A" has directly voted to benefit from SNAP, nor have you shown that any politician has been elected primarily because of a supposed campaign promise on SNAP.

    Are you going to answer it this time, or dance around it again?
    If a person is receiving SNAP then he or she benefits himself/herself by voting for the person who will ensure SNAP benefits. The person receiving SNAP benefits does not pay for them. Persons ineligible for SNAP benefits pay for them.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    And if people can alter or abolish their government, they can also demand that the government give the citizens the right to vote as a condition in order to earn their consent to be governed?
    if the people want government to give them the vote..it would be a privilege of government, and a privilege cannot override a right.
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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There is no robbery. Taxes are justified in the constitution.
    I suppose if you want to get picky over word choice the proper word for it is theft.

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    Re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I didn't argue it, I explained it for you.

    However your hypothetical is an easy answer, if a congressman loses office and has no other influence in Washigton, yes they will lose financially
    Bjebus, I wrote "politicians", not a singular "politician". Absolutely dishonest responses avoiding the point will be ignored.
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    Wrong anyone employed is counted in the u3
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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