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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again the constitution says government cannot discriminate...it does not say people/individuals cannot discriminate.
    Still cannot come to terms with the fact that govt did restrict property ownership by minorities and was only reversed by law. Magical "natural rights" did not automatically cause anything to happen.

    when a person violates another person rights..its criminal law..not constitutional law.
    Straw.

    so the right of people to own property cannot be violated by governments.
    Uh, again, get out of the tower and come back to Earth, your magic is powerless.

    the constitution via federal law, prohibtes people from being denied the vote because of race/servitude or sex.
    You are getting closer to the truth, while still ignoring the actual process and chronology of the establishment and protection of those rights.

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    Further, on what logic therefore can you make the argument that a class (those that do not open property) can have their right to vote infringed upon?
    Last edited by Gimmesometruth; 04-25-15 at 03:32 PM.
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    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Then I would suggest you do a Richard Branson and find your own island in the pacific. Taxation and welfare are part of what make the most prosperous and desirable countries in the world prosperous and desirable. Do you think it's a coincidence that all the most highly developed countries in the world have a strong taxation system and social safety net?


    forced taxation, and redistribution of wealth violate the founding principles of america, and because it is taking place ......people are using the power of their vote to take from one and give to another....

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    My argument in no way suggested that any person's vote should count more than any other person's vote.

    My argument is based strictly on the ethics of Citizen A being able to vote for Citizen B to support him/her. My argument is based strictly on the ethics of those who will incur no consequence of any kind from their vote having ability to vote for how much in taxes others will pay, etc.

    My argument is purely philosophical, but it goes to the very heart of what the structure of our social contract and resulting government should be. There is an injustice in a system that allows one group to vote itself benefits at the expense of others.
    So...one's wealth or ownership of property should be used to judge whether one should vote on issues that affect oneself? What about those who are of equal (or greater) intelligence and ability, but whose situation prevented them from achieving wealth or ownership of property? And then there's those who inherited their wealth and prosperity - should they be the only ones who are allowed to vote on issues that affect them?

    And you imply, then, that the poor should only be allowed to vote on issues that affect them...and this requires, then, that they would also be voting on issues that affect their poverty...but you also imply that their vote could not affect in any way those who are wealthy and propertied. By the same token, then, the rich could not be allowed to vote on issues that affect the poor...and the very concept is flatly impossible.

    The very concept is nauseating.

    Go read about the French Revolution sometime, and find out just how bad class warfare can get.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post

    You are getting closer to the truth, while still ignoring the actual process and chronology of the establishment and protection of those rights.

    i will put my knowledge of rights and constitutional law to the test against you anytime you like...but you have already shown you don't know the law, by making statements of things already.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i will put my knowledge of rights and constitutional law to the test against you anytime you like...but you have already shown you don't know the law, by making statements of things already.
    By ignoring my full response you are clearly showing you do not have the ability to defend against counter-argument.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    You're system makes it much easier for one segment of society to benefit themselves at the expense of the others. At the expense of those who you arbitrarily disallow to vote!
    Read my lips. I have not promoted a system here. I have simply offered a rationale for one system over another. And the rationale I have offered is mostly an argument to PREVENT some from benefitting themselves at the expense of others.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    forced taxation,
    Crikey, still trying to argue that income tax is un-Constitutional....sigh
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Which is a diversion from the context of the point that was being discussed. If you cannot bring yourself to understand that you are in agreement with Nilly on the point you responded to, so be it....but to divert from it with a non-sequitur is just the sort of disingenuous posting you ascribe to.
    It is not a diversion from the point I have been discussing the entire time. And it certainly is not non sequitur.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Read my lips. I have not promoted a system here. I have simply offered a rationale for one system over another. And the rationale I have offered is mostly an argument to PREVENT some from benefitting themselves at the expense of others.
    And we keep trying to get you to understand that restricting voting rights does exactly that.

    Irony missed once again.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Equality in society is screwed when a smaller and smaller minority controls a larger and larger share of wealth. Power of vote is restricted by power of wealth.
    There is no inequality in society unless the wealth held by some prevents others from acquiring wealth. And nobody here has yet made a good argument for how the rich are preventing the poor from becoming rich just because the rich are rich.

    The most dangerous inequality in society is to give power to people who suffer no negative consequences of any kind and in fact enrich themselves by what they can require of others at the expense of those others.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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