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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how would i want that?......
    How would you? I am arguing you are expressing it by arguing against the expansion of voting rights protections via Constitutional fundamentalism.....as you always do.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You missed it, that is the view shared by Nilly. It is "ernst" you should posting this to. He is questioning the validity of having those without real property a right to vote.
    Sorry but I also have argued a rationale for why it is dangerous for those whose property will not be affected having ability to vote property away from others. Which is what Ernest is also arguing.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Your logic takes away the right to vote from: ALL public servants. That includes the entire military, even retired war veterans. All Government employee's, renter's/leases, snowbirds, etc.

    In fact to take away more voters rights all a government would have to do is change the tax code.
    My logic takes away the right to vote from nobody. And the government has been using the tax code to take away people's rights for a very long time now. What I am arguing for is a system in which everybody suffers the same consequences--good or bad--of the votes they cast. And if we don't have the political will to restore that system, then at least make it more difficult for one segment of society to vote to benefit themselves at the expense of others.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    My logic takes away the right to vote from nobody. And the government has been using the tax code to take away people's rights for a very long time now. What I am arguing for is a system in which everybody suffers the same consequences--good or bad--of the votes they cast. And if we don't have the political will to restore that system, then at least make it more difficult for one segment of society to vote to benefit themselves at the expense of others.
    You're system makes it much easier for one segment of society to benefit themselves at the expense of the others. At the expense of those who you arbitrarily disallow to vote!
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Sorry but I also have argued a rationale for why it is dangerous for those whose property will not be affected having ability to vote property away from others. Which is what Ernest is also arguing.
    Which is a diversion from the context of the point that was being discussed. If you cannot bring yourself to understand that you are in agreement with Nilly on the point you responded to, so be it....but to divert from it with a non-sequitur is just the sort of disingenuous posting you ascribe to.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But if only a small minority gets to vote, what prevents them from changing the Constitution to reenact slavery or indentured servitude, allowing those with the wealth and power to live off the labor of others, only taking care of their very basic needs? You limit voting one way where it is determined by financial assets or income, then you open the door to fix it so only certain majorities can vote, and do so in whatever way you want.
    The vote would not be limited to a small minority since homeownership in America is about 62% and others who don't own their home do own a business or other real property. When only a small minority of Americans are supporting everybody else, we'll be really screwed don't you think?
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    You're system makes it much easier for one segment of society to benefit themselves at the expense of the others. At the expense of those who you arbitrarily disallow to vote!
    The owl is immune to her own irony, and displays it over and over.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh, government was discriminating against ownership of property by minorities, it happened because people through the arm of govt believed they could discriminate against minority ownership of property. The right of those minorities had to be established in law before it was protected.

    See how that works?

    A guy with a gun expanding on "natural rights" is not guaranteed anything.

    Wrong, the Constitution prohibits the infringement of voting rights of many classes too, your absolute is shot down again.

    again the constitution says government cannot discriminate...it does not say people/individuals cannot discriminate.

    when a person violates another person rights..its criminal law..not constitutional law.

    so the right of people to own property cannot be violated by governments.

    the constitution via federal law, prohibtes people from being denied the vote because of race/servitude or sex.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The vote would not be limited to a small minority since homeownership in America is about 62% and others who don't own their home do own a business or other real property. When only a small minority of Americans are supporting everybody else, we'll be really screwed don't you think?
    Equality in society is screwed when a smaller and smaller minority controls a larger and larger share of wealth. Power of vote is restricted by power of wealth.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    How would you? I am arguing you are expressing it by arguing against the expansion of voting rights protections via Constitutional fundamentalism.....as you always do.
    the constitution of the founders says nothing about who can vote......be it white or black, man or woman.....the state governments had authority in that area...so race /sex was never part of my argument.

    i was making the point that people are using their vote, to vote for politicians, who promise to give them material goods ands services, while making other citizens pay for it via income taxes, because the people receiving those goods and services are not paying income taxes, therefore they don't care about how high income taxes go, because it does not effect them..

    when people are not effected by laws, even though laws can be tyrannical......they don't care.

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