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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I could give less than two ****s what perspective you claim to offer.

    If you continue to argue off of absolutely idiotic grounds that people like my brother or any other person who is impoverished doesn't deserve to vote, because of your inappropriate and baseless house metaphor, you deserve every ad hominem you get.

    I too like complex subjects, but I approach it with some semblance of intelligence, self-awareness, consistency, and moral basis. The only thing you have said thus far is "I am talking about something different." You aren't. You're just refusing to accept the consequences of your ideas. Again and again that's all you have done.

    Get off that decrepit high horse of yours and sniff the real world for Christ's sake and stop insulting our intelligence.
    Have a nice day Fiddly. I won't be responding to you further.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    To preserve and increase their own wealth.
    But the fact is, the more prosperous and productive others are, the more opportunity there is to increase their own wealth. You don't prosper by buying and selling property when nobody can afford to participate in the process.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no, there premise his that if people have nothing at stake, then they will use their vote, by means of injustice to take from others.

    which is why voting is a privilege and not a right.
    A statement used by those who wish to contract, minimize, voting rights. It is pure standing on ones head POV of the Constitution (the Constitution is a document of preserving rights, not out and out proclamation of rights. The right to vote is mentioned 14 times, not once is it described as a "privilege".).
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    In other words, should any destitute tramp be allowed to just vote for a living instead of working for one?
    Well I would phrase it a bit more charitably than that, but this does get to the heart of it as I interpret the question posed in the OP.

    Again, there is something deeply wrong with Citizen A given power to demand that Citizen B hand over property to Citizen A for no other reason than Citizen A needs or wants it. There is something deeply wrong with a politician confiscating property from Citizen B and giving that property to Citizen A for no better reason than he wants Citizen A's vote.

    Again THAT is the elephant in the room that few wish to acknowledge or even think about. We--liberals, conservatives, libertarians--are so conditioned to believe that the vote is sacrosanct that it is uncomfortable to even acknowledge a possibility that the vote can be misused.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the fact is, the more prosperous and productive others are, the more opportunity there is to increase their own wealth. You don't prosper by buying and selling property when nobody can afford to participate in the process.
    But if only a small minority gets to vote, what prevents them from changing the Constitution to reenact slavery or indentured servitude, allowing those with the wealth and power to live off the labor of others, only taking care of their very basic needs? You limit voting one way where it is determined by financial assets or income, then you open the door to fix it so only certain majorities can vote, and do so in whatever way you want.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    A statement used by those who wish to contract, minimize, voting rights. It is pure standing on ones head POV of the Constitution (the Constitution is a document of preserving rights, not out and out proclamation of rights. The right to vote is mentioned 14 times, not once is it described as a "privilege".).
    Not once is it a granted to all people or treated as anything other than a privilege either.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But the fact is, the more prosperous and productive others are, the more opportunity there is to increase their own wealth. You don't prosper by buying and selling property when nobody can afford to participate in the process.
    You missed it, that is the view shared by Nilly. It is "ernst" you should posting this to. He is questioning the validity of having those without real property a right to vote.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Have a nice day Fiddly. I won't be responding to you further.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Not once is it a granted to all people
    Straw, I never said it was. Try reading what I posted more carefully.

    or treated as anything other than a privilege either.
    Again, a baseless claim since, again, "privilege" is never once mentioned in the Constitution in relation to individual voting rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
    "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    A statement used by those who wish to contract, minimize, voting rights. It is pure standing on ones head POV of the Constitution (the Constitution is a document of preserving rights, not out and out proclamation of rights. The right to vote is mentioned 14 times, not once is it described as a "privilege".).
    sorry you are wrong....



    Section. 2.

    The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.


    rights do not have Qualifications requisite.

    rights require no action from government for a right to be exercised,...but privileges do require an action.......voting cannot be accomplished without government action.

    the constitution states voting cannot be denied for certain reasons.

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