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Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

Should be on welfare be allowed to vote?

  • Yes

    Votes: 99 82.5%

  • No

    Votes: 15 12.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 7 5.8%

  • Welcome To Costco I Love You

    Votes: 11 9.2%
  • Total voters
    120
jamesrage said:
Practically every law that elected officials create is about money.Laws cost money to enforce. Laws can effect the pocket books of certain individuals. This whole not wanting welfare recipients to vote idea is due to the fact these people tend to vote for democrats.Money is merely an excuse to try to deny these people the right to vote.
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An excuse? The right to vote?

Would you ever give the your typical welfare recipient (or anyone for that matter) your pin code? If not, then why would you allow them to vote over how much money the government takes from you?
 
Those who have contempt for rights should lead by example and be the first to give them up.
 
phattonez said:
An excuse? The right to vote?
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I am sure if welfare recipients voted for right wingers you would have no problem with them.

Would you ever give the your typical welfare recipient (or anyone for that matter) your pin code?
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That is a irrelevant question. No one would give their pin number to anyone regardless of how trust worthy that person is or isn't.
If not, then why would you allow them to vote over how much money the government takes from you?
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Using that logic those who support outsourcing shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how outsourcing takes jobs away from Americans and has a negative impact on their pocket book. Those who support Israel shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how we give some our tax dollars to that country.Those who think we should help those in the middle east against ISIS should not be allowed to vote seeing how that will cost us money.Those who want border security should not be allowed to vote seeing how that costs us money.Those who want amnesty should not be allowed to vote seeing how they will effect the wages of Americans who work those jobs. People who want police, fire departments and other infrastructure shouldn't be allowed to vote seeing how those things cost us money.People who want public roads should not be allowed to vote seeing how those things cost us money to build and maintain. I could go on and on about things that cost tax payers money.
 
phattonez said:
The point is that those with little wealth would prefer to vote themselves more wealth, even to the detriment of the long term health of the country, even though it would be immoral.
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People with little aren't the only ones voting their pocketbook. The wealthy do too. Look what the Chamber of Commerce has spent to lobby to legalize undocumented workers? They spend a lot of money for influence so business folks can get cheap labor. They sure don't have the best interest of the country only their profit margin.

Edit- the spending has got to get under control. People need job opportunities. Mountains of feckless regulations need removed to promote economic growth. The more government does to promote good jobs, there will be less collecting welfare. At the same time tighten the requirements so that only those who truly need assistance get it and no more passing out disability for a hangnail. Deal with consolidating all the different Welfare programs to cut out fraud. Implement a tax code that all pay something into. At the same time cut the corporate welfare and get the government out of the practice of choosing winners and losers. If your business fails bye bye. No more bailouts for anyone. I think that covers it.:lol:
 
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No way...another attempt to disenfranchise another group of voters!
 
Of course they should, last time I checked even people on welfare were American citizens with all the rights that comes with that citizenship.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
So they are free to vote themselves more money and benefits at the expense of my Liberty....
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Yep, just like you are allowed for people who want to do away with welfare (if you feel that represents one of your interests).
 
No voter is not a selfish prick about their priorities. Let's not pretend that those on welfare are somehow different from you.
 
Simple solution just appointment me Supreme Leader for eternity!
 
​Redress;1064554392 said:
Veterans benefits?
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Veteran benefits are not welfare.
Some are contractual obligations while others are perks for being willing to put your life on the line for your Country.

Receiving something for your service is much different than just getting something because you are a citizen.




​Risky Thicket;1064554563 said:
Some families of military service members are on food stamps.
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And?
They shouldn't be paid more than single members.

​Risky Thicket;1064554563 said:
It is amazing that you aren't ashamed to have posted what you have.
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Yes you should be ashamed of the drivel you posted.
Especially the nonsense about healthcare.
 
Some folks really have it out for the poor.

Anyway, a thousand times yes.
 
Jetboogieman said:
This question is brought up largely because many conservatives believe people on welfare would just "vote themselves more welfare" and I don't believe that to be true.

In some cases yes... But most people want purpose in their life and a good job can provide that and so if you're sitting on welfare and can't find a job, who do you pick?

The people who will preserve the welfare system and claim they can also provide jobs.

Or the people who call you a lazy leeching bum and promise to tear down your only source of income whilst seemingly giving larger and larger tax breaks to the rich?
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All well and good but anyone who goes into the voting booth expecting they might get a better job out of it is probably destined to remain on welfare.

But on, welfare should not disqualify you from voting.
 
I suppose the beneficiaries of any of this should be denied voting rights.

1) Democrats Fought for Social Security (F.D.R.)
2) Democrats Fought for Medicare (L.B.J.)
3) Democrats Fought for Medicaid (L.B.J.)
4) Democrats Fought for Welfare Benefits (F.D.R.)
5) Democrats Fought for Civil Rights (L.B.J.)
6) Democrats Fought for Unemployment Insurance (F.D.R.)
7) Democrats Fought for National Labor Relations Board (F.D.R.)
8) Democrats Fought for 8 Hour Work Day-5 Day Work Week- Work Place Breaks & Overtime Pay (F.D.R.)
9) Democrats Fought for Workers Compensation (Woodrow Wilson)
10) Democrats Fought for Americans with Disability Act (101st Democratic Congress - over G.H.W. Bush veto)
11) Democrats Fought for Holiday Pay(F.D.R.)
12) Democrats Fought for Medical Leave Act (Bill Clinton)
13) Democrats Fought for Prevention of Child Labor (F.D.R.)
14) Democrats Fought for Minimum Wage Act (F.D.R.)
15) Democrats Fought for Work Place Safety (OSHA) *** (Nixon)
16) Democrats Fought for Affirmative Action as it relates to Racial Discrimination (J.F.K)
17) Democrats Fought for Women's Rights (L.B.J)
18) Democrats Fought for Tax Fairness (Platform Issue)
19) Democrats Fought for Veterans Pay & Benefits (F.D.R.)
20) Democrats Fought for Consumer Protection / Consumer Bill of Rights (J.F.K.)
21) Democrats Fought for Gun Law's / Background Checks to prevent felons from getting Weapons (L.B.J) (B.Clinton)
22) Democrats Fought for Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights (Barack Obama)
23) Democrats Fought for Funding Our Schools (L.B.J.)
24) Democrats Fought for Grants for low income people to attend college (L.B.J.)
25) Democrats Fought for Environmental Regulations - Clean Water Act / Clean Air Act (Dems Override Nixon Veto)
26) Democrats Fought for Financial Regulations keeping Wall Street Wizards Accountable (Dodd/Frank - Obama)
27) Democrats Fought for Affordable Health Care for Everyone (Obama Care)
28) Democrats Fought for Hate Crime Legislation (Matthew Shepard) (Barack Obama)
29) Democrats Fought for Children's Health Legislation for 11 Million Children without Health Care (Barack Obama)
30) Democrats Fought for Voting Rights Act (L.B.J)
31) Democrats Fought for National Voter Registration (Bill Clinton)
32) Democrats Fought for Largest Deficit Cutting Plan in History (Bill Clinton)
33) Democrats Fought for Clayton Anti-Trust Act (Woodrow Wilson)
34) Democrats Fought for Securities & Exchange Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
35) Democrats Fought for National School Lunch Program (Truman)


Of course all opposed by republicans.
 
Co-founder of the Heritage Foundation and Ronald Reagan campaign strategist Paul Weyrich makes plain the republican position.

"I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." —Paul Weyrich, 1980
 
Montecresto said:
What's your position on welfare recipients voting?
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I've already made my position. Welfare recipients should be allowed to vote. Does that mean I am not "the right"?
 
Montecresto said:
I suppose the beneficiaries of any of this should be denied voting rights.

1) Democrats Fought for Social Security (F.D.R.)
2) Democrats Fought for Medicare (L.B.J.)
3) Democrats Fought for Medicaid (L.B.J.)
4) Democrats Fought for Welfare Benefits (F.D.R.)
5) Democrats Fought for Civil Rights (L.B.J.)
6) Democrats Fought for Unemployment Insurance (F.D.R.)
7) Democrats Fought for National Labor Relations Board (F.D.R.)
8) Democrats Fought for 8 Hour Work Day-5 Day Work Week- Work Place Breaks & Overtime Pay (F.D.R.)
9) Democrats Fought for Workers Compensation (Woodrow Wilson)
10) Democrats Fought for Americans with Disability Act (101st Democratic Congress - over G.H.W. Bush veto)
11) Democrats Fought for Holiday Pay(F.D.R.)
12) Democrats Fought for Medical Leave Act (Bill Clinton)
13) Democrats Fought for Prevention of Child Labor (F.D.R.)
14) Democrats Fought for Minimum Wage Act (F.D.R.)
15) Democrats Fought for Work Place Safety (OSHA) *** (Nixon)
16) Democrats Fought for Affirmative Action as it relates to Racial Discrimination (J.F.K)
17) Democrats Fought for Women's Rights (L.B.J)
18) Democrats Fought for Tax Fairness (Platform Issue)
19) Democrats Fought for Veterans Pay & Benefits (F.D.R.)
20) Democrats Fought for Consumer Protection / Consumer Bill of Rights (J.F.K.)
21) Democrats Fought for Gun Law's / Background Checks to prevent felons from getting Weapons (L.B.J) (B.Clinton)
22) Democrats Fought for Credit Card Holders Bill of Rights (Barack Obama)
23) Democrats Fought for Funding Our Schools (L.B.J.)
24) Democrats Fought for Grants for low income people to attend college (L.B.J.)
25) Democrats Fought for Environmental Regulations - Clean Water Act / Clean Air Act (Dems Override Nixon Veto)
26) Democrats Fought for Financial Regulations keeping Wall Street Wizards Accountable (Dodd/Frank - Obama)
27) Democrats Fought for Affordable Health Care for Everyone (Obama Care)
28) Democrats Fought for Hate Crime Legislation (Matthew Shepard) (Barack Obama)
29) Democrats Fought for Children's Health Legislation for 11 Million Children without Health Care (Barack Obama)
30) Democrats Fought for Voting Rights Act (L.B.J)
31) Democrats Fought for National Voter Registration (Bill Clinton)
32) Democrats Fought for Largest Deficit Cutting Plan in History (Bill Clinton)
33) Democrats Fought for Clayton Anti-Trust Act (Woodrow Wilson)
34) Democrats Fought for Securities & Exchange Act (Franklin D. Roosevelt)
35) Democrats Fought for National School Lunch Program (Truman)


Of course all opposed by republicans.
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It's funny to see you pad this list with legislation where the chief opposition to the bills were Democrats.
 
jmotivator said:
I've already made my position. Welfare recipients should be allowed to vote. Does that mean I am not "the right"?
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No, it makes you a dandy exception on that point.
 
jmotivator said:
It's funny to see you pad this list with legislation where the chief opposition to the bills were Democrats.
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What do you mean "pad", and no, democrats were not the "chief" opposition to any of that.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Amazing that it is even asked. How should economic standing and accepting the help offered justify the removal of a democratic right, THE core democratic right.

In this country a natural born Canadian cannot lose his or her right to vote for any reason, ever. Prisoners vote.

And I hold that sacrosanct
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:shrug: in this country, we have a long history of recognizing that those on public assistance have a strong incentive to vote merely for increased public assistance, rather than good governance.

Removable Mind said:
it's an easy bet that the folks who believe themselves to be exempt from the possibility of ever being on welfare will chime in with a resounding "NO!"
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I spent a couple of months on unemployment benefits. If you include EITC (which some do), I've gotten that pretty much every year I've filed taxes. I think there is some merit to the idea.
 
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