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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, everyone does not pay taxes.
    Income taxes. Not everyone pays income taxes.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Are you aware that the Founding Fathers were against democracy?
    Are you aware that amendments are added to the Constitution to change things that the Framers originally did not add, or were not in approval of? The Constitution was written in 1787 by a bunch of rich white guys. It was amended to allow people of color to vote in 1870 (but blacks still had to fight for years to vote) and it was amended in 1920 for women to be able to vote.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Sure I do. If you give people with no money the opportunity to vote for themselves more money, of course they'll vote for it. Why not? You've legalized it and made it sound moral by instilling the "virtues" of democracy.

    Sure, but if the poor are not offered a vote then they can only get away with so much. However, once the democracy supports it, they can say that democracy has spoken and end all discussion.
    No, you don't know any of that. In fact, the very fact that people on welfare vote for all different kinds of people, including those who would like to end welfare proves you wrong.

    I said nothing in the part you responded to last about the poor. Why did you go back to the poor? I was talking about the wealthy, those not on the welfare programs that we know people really mean when they say "should those on welfare not be allowed to vote?".
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I never said the Founders wanted a representative democracy. I do find it funny, though, how we are speaking of "The Founders" as if they were a single entity with a single mind.




    I never said democracy alone secures individual rights.
    i did not say you said anything of the sort, however you did mention democracy which the founders hated democratic forms of government.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    When you start quoting LBJ, I've heard pretty much all I need to hear about you.
    That's not an argument.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetpea View Post
    Why aren't government employees and welfare recipients making $80,000 per year? It seems illogical that welfare recipients would make so little. What's the catch? Why are they voting themselves small amounts of money?
    Most of the benefits lately have been going into education, especially higher education, where the benefits per year there are massive.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?
    If you're over 18 and you have an American citizenship, you should be allowed to vote. There are some places that permanently rescind a citizen's right to vote even after they have served their time to society for a crime, and that's a miscarriage of justice.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by sweetpea View Post
    Income taxes. Not everyone pays income taxes.
    I'm talking about all taxes. There are people that depend entirely on another person and never buy anything or buy things with someone else's money.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Are you aware that amendments are added to the Constitution to change things that the Framers originally did not add, or were not in approval of? The Constitution was written in 1787 by a bunch of rich white guys. It was amended to allow people of color to vote in 1870 (but blacks still had to fight for years to vote) and it was amended in 1920 for women to be able to vote.
    Therefore what? Now democracy is a good thing and the arguments against it no longer apply?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You say there's no reasonable explanation, and then list a very reasonable explanation and then disregard it for no good reason.
    Except I didn't give a good reason for it; it being disallowing just people on Welfare from voting.

    If you want to say the notions form de Tocqueville and Franklin are legitimate reasons to deny people the ability to vote, then the only reasonable choice would be to disallow anyone who is gaining a benefit from the government to be disallowed to vote.

    There's no reasonable explanation for JUST disallowing those obtaining a welfare check to do it....but not disallowing everyone who works for any business or university that recieves government funding in some fashion to vote. To disallow anyone who has a government college loan from voting. To disallow anyone who is a government employee from voting. To disallow employees of government contractors from voting. And on and on.

    Utilizing elections as a means of voting into power those who will use the coffers of the United States to give you more money in some fashion is not an endevour limited in scope to those recieving welfare.

    So if you're going to say the notions I mentioned are "legitimate reasons" to limit who can vote, the only reasonable choice is to evenly enforce said limitation. Otherwise, you're not actually limiting peoples votes for those reasons...you're limiting them for purely partisan political reasons. You'd be using those political philosophers and figures words simply as cover in an effort to obfuscate your true purpose and dishonestly paint your effots as some noble cause of liberty when it's really standard fare political jockying.

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