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    Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by chloerenee97 View Post
    Excluding veterans.
    Of course I think veterans should always have the right to vote!
    I guess I should have worded that better.
    I just hate the idea of welfare abusers voting in the guy who will continue to let them abuse the system. But I guess there is nothing that we can really do about that.
    Ah yes. Veterans...the "only good disabled people" bit. **** those other other guys and gals who were disabled beforehand and working while on SSDI and Medicaid.

    That's classy.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why? When majority rules is what goes, what's going to hold them back?
    So you'd deny the vote to people simply because you don't like the way they might vote? Do you see anything wrong with that picture?

    In any case the poor aren't a majority even if they all did manage to vote as a block. They're elected representatives are constrained by the Constitution, the Executive and the Judiciary. And finally the reality is money is power and is what makes the world go roud and by virtue of being poor the poor have very little power.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I think that isn't so much an issue though as is the fact that more than 49% of American households were receiving some sort of direct government benefit in 2012--Mitt Romney actually underestimated a bit with his 47%--and that number has no doubt increased since then especially as more government subsidies kick in for Obamacare. That is our reality. And all any politician has to do to scare people into not voting for somebody is to convince them that his/her opponent will take away those benefits. Even people who know the benefits are not good for the country overall are reluctant to be the patsy who gives up his benefit when everybody else gets to keep theirs.

    It becomes a vicious circle of inadequacy vs dependency, but it keep a huge segment of the population voting for those benefits.

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    Most of that 49% are seniors on Medicare and Social Security. They split their votes between both parties. Most poor people that get means tested benefits don't actually vote. As I stated earlier, the reason why we have a safety-net in this country is not because poor people are going to the polls and voting for it, its because the upper middle class and the wealthy believe we should have one.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    These kinds of polls are so stupid.
    Exactly.
    But then look who the OP is.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    What do yu count as unearned? If I get into an accident not my fault that results in me being unable to work after paying into federal taxes for years (and state taxes my whole life) I think it's fair to get some benefits then
    What you describe should be covered by insurance. Also, in times of limited resources, sorry, your SOL if the line gets cut to short. Your still behind Retirements and Veterans Disabilities.

    You can "what if" anyway you want. That doesn't change the fact that the country is deep in debt, accrued after the establishment of socialistic instruments. The country had very little debt before FDR. WWII added more which was eventually paid down but then grew back after "the war on Poverty" and the start of the welfare system and Medicaid. You give an example of a person injured. How many of those are out there vs the number that have never held a taxpaying job in their lives and have only suckled from the public teat?

    How many of those who have never paid taxes in their lives also vote constantly for upping their benefits which they have never done a single thing to earn and have never contributed to our nation in a positive way? And how many no longer have jobs because they were stupid enough to vote the left which drove their jobs out of the country?

    "He ain't heavy, he's my brother" sounds great until you realize the one doing the riding keeps getting fatter and fatter but never shoulders any of the burden.
    Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    And yet there are people who are actually deserving of a hand up, most especially those who have spent their lives being a benefit to society and who, for whatever reason, fall on hard times. And certainly those who stepped up to risk everything in the service of their country in the military are deserving of whatever they were promised when they signed up. But neither should we have a government that goes to the highest bidder of what he or she promises in freebies and benefits.

    And that is the real elephant in the room with this thread topic--obviously one that most or all of the leftwingers and even a lot of conservatives find too politically incorrect and uncomfortable to acknowledge.
    You mean Union Idiots that helped drive jobs out of the Country and increased the costs to the rest of us? What about the idiots that vote for the Environmental agenda, again killing jobs and raising costs to all? Or those to lazy to get themselves qualified for a new career, but instead cry about benefits from the government and low pay? If they lost their job and ended up at minimum wage at Walmart, but are not using their time and resources to qualify for better employment, then they lazy stupid morons. And if they stay at that level for very long, they are incredibly stupid lazy morons. If they are too lazy to do the most they are able to to help themselves, then tough petunias and I will gladly spit upon them as they lay dying in the street.

    As to the second bolded line, refer back to my post #94 of this thread.
    Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Most of that 49% are seniors on Medicare and Social Security. They split their votes between both parties. Most poor people that get means tested benefits don't actually vote. As I stated earlier, the reason why we have a safety-net in this country is not because poor people are going to the polls and voting for it, its because the upper middle class and the wealthy believe we should have one.
    Which missed the point I was making entirely.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    You mean Union Idiots that helped drive jobs out of the Country and increased the costs to the rest of us? What about the idiots that vote for the Environmental agenda, again killing jobs and raising costs to all? Or those to lazy to get themselves qualified for a new career, but instead cry about benefits from the government and low pay? If they lost their job and ended up at minimum wage at Walmart, but are not using their time and resources to qualify for better employment, then they lazy stupid morons. And if they stay at that level for very long, they are incredibly stupid lazy morons. If they are too lazy to do the most they are able to to help themselves, then tough petunias and I will gladly spit upon them as they lay dying in the street.

    As to the second bolded line, refer back to my post #94 of this thread.
    No that isn't what I meant. I think I'm going to give up though because I am obviously not communicating well on this subject.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's funny to see you pad this list with legislation where the chief opposition to the bills were Democrats.
    ... true, this should have pointed out that the proponents of these pieces of legislation were progressives/liberals and the opponents were conservatives, as those philosophies aligned with parties based more on geography pre-1965 than Democratic/Republican

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The point is that those with little wealth would prefer to vote themselves more wealth, even to the detriment of the long term health of the country, even though it would be immoral.
    You don't know this.

    Plus, those with plenty of wealth prefer to vote themselves both a) ways to maintain their current wealth by any means necessary and b) ways to increase their own wealth, even if through particularly corrupt means.
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