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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No, but people respond to incentives, and if you give people the legal ability to vote themselves money for doing nothing, then by and large they are going to do it.
    Question - rich people, large multinationals, what restrictions would you place on them?
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    ...And we are broadly defined as a democracy. You are really overcomplicating things here...
    sorry no.... the founders hated Democratic forms of government, which is why they created a republican form of government article 4 section 4..which is mixed government -federalist 40

    the senate and the presidency are not democratic votes to the founders ...the senate is elected by the state legislatures, while the president is by the electoral college in second week of December.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Yes, many do vote in their own self-interest. I do not support democracy by any means. At least with a narrower voting base the poor won't just vote to confiscate wealth from productive sectors of society in order to enrich themselves. Yes, if only the rich vote, they can enrich themselves, but in doing so they will face the threat of revolt from the poor. When the poor vote themselves more money, what are the rich going to do about it?

    I think you very seriously over estimate the power of the poor to do anything of the sort.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry that is wrong....

    in the time of the founders there is no such thing as a democratic republic....the founders created our government off of the roman republic of "mixed government"....mixed government employs 1 single element of democracy , the house of representatives.

    the senate and presidency is not democratic votes of the people.
    I wonder why the US Supreme Court does not embrace that delusion?
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not so. Many (if not most) national or statewide elections are decided by a very small margin making the non taxpayer vote a real issue.

    47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009
    ...and they tend to not vote. Yes so.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... the founders hated Democratic forms of government, which is why they created a republican form of government article 4 section 4..which is mixed government -federalist 40

    the senate and the presidency are not democratic votes to the founders ...the senate is elected by the state legislatures, while the president is by the electoral college in second week of December.
    My calendar says it is 2015. Does yours still read 1790 EB?
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unrepresented View Post
    Absolutely. Those oppressed by the system should have equal say in correcting it, not less.
    people suckling off the tit of government are hardly being oppressed.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I wonder why the US Supreme Court does not embrace that delusion?
    the USSC has stated republican government is a political question.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry no.... the founders hated Democratic forms of government,
    Yes, some of the Founders criticized democracy. Some of the Founders also owned slaves. Their personal feelings does not change what system we have (or supposed to have) today.

    which is why they created a republican form of governmentarticle 4 section 4..which is mixed government -federalist 40

    the senate and the presidency are not democratic votes to the founders ...the senate is elected by the state legislatures, while the president is by the electoral college in second week of December.
    I am not talking specifically about direct democracy... only the broader term which includes representative democracy.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the USSC has stated republican government is a political question.
    And they have NEVER sided with your view of it.
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