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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    These kinds of polls are so stupid. Welfare is a small federal outlay in the scheme of things. So why just single them out. Why not include everyone on Social Security and Medicare considering that those are huge federal outlays and most people on those invariably get more in benefits than they paid in payroll taxes for them. So why not just exclude everyone over 65 from voting as well if you don't want people on the dole voting?
    Because old broke people who use up Medicare and Social Security vote Republican in Florida. That's why.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    democracy was a form of government does not secure indivdual liberty


    The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.
    I would ask what your ideal form of government is but I know how you're going to answer (constitutionally limited republic, blah blah blah.) Democracy and republic overlap. You cannot have a republic without a democratic system.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The numbers are too diluted for that to happen.
    Not so. Many (if not most) national or statewide elections are decided by a very small margin making the non taxpayer vote a real issue.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What style of libertarian are you? Are you just a Communist with a libertarian label? Or are you a libertarian of the Austrian variety?
    I am a geo-mutualist. Feel free to look it up.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry wrong.

    the house the representative body of the people........the senate is the representative body of the states.

    the senator is chosen by the state legislature, not the people, therefore he represents the legislative body of the state.
    More stuff you just made up to fit your own extremist belief system contrary to reality and the US Constitution.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    I would ask what your ideal form of government is but I know how you're going to answer (constitutionally limited republic, blah blah blah.) Democracy and republic overlap. You cannot have a republic without a democratic system.

    sorry that is wrong....

    in the time of the founders there is no such thing as a democratic republic....the founders created our government off of the roman republic of "mixed government"....mixed government employs 1 single element of democracy , the house of representatives.

    the senate and presidency is not democratic votes of the people.
    Anti-Democracy advocate, Mixed government is the only good government

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    second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Democracy may precisely be the worse system we have in order to solve societal issues.It's like letting the students decide how the class should be run.
    Looks like we have a follower of Hoppe. Sorry, I do not submit to his feudalist thinking.


    It is lawlessness.
    That is just silly.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    They probably would, but they would be held back by a few things. First, those who are being stolen from would have major objections and threaten to overthrow the system. Second, if those in power can keep that power for a long time and can even pass it on to their children, then they will be interested in the long term economic health of the system instead of just stealing at the present at the expense of long term health (as commonly happens in democracy). Those with a long-term vested interest care about preserving the long term wealth of the country, but evil motives (so that they can steal more wealth for longer instead of a lot just right now) in this case would at least be less harmful than the short term oriented outlook common to democracies.
    Yup, definitely a Hoppe follower.

    Sorry, but monarchy/landlordism goes against everything I believe in.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    More stuff you just made up to fit your own extremist belief system contrary to reality and the US Constitution.
    sorry but you fail basic american government 101...anyone KNOWS. that if a person is a representative of the people or body that elects them.

    since the senator is elected by the legislative body of the state, he represents them and not the people
    Anti-Democracy advocate, Mixed government is the only good government

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    second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    sorry that is wrong....

    in the time of the founders there is no such thing as a democratic republic....
    Of course it wasn't, because only landowning white males were allowed to vote during that time.
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