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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?
    Absolutely. There's no reasonable explanation as to why they shouldn't. Becuase they gain a benefit from the government? So does every single other american. I understand the issues brought up by the likes of Ben Franklin and de Tocqueville as it relates to the faltering of democracy once it's discovered one can in essence vote themselves money, "welfare" is not the only means in which this occurs and limiting voting based singularly on that seems less an effort to restore democracy or legitimacy and instead simply a calculated partisan plan abscent any honest desires for liberty.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Absolutely. There's no reasonable explanation as to why they shouldn't. Becuase they gain a benefit from the government? So does every single other american. I understand the issues brought up by the likes of Ben Franklin and de Tocqueville as it relates to the faltering of democracy once it's discovered one can in essence vote themselves money, "welfare" is not the only means in which this occurs and limiting voting based singularly on that seems less an effort to restore democracy or legitimacy and instead simply a calculated partisan plan abscent any honest desires for liberty.
    You say there's no reasonable explanation, and then list a very reasonable explanation and then disregard it for no good reason.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?
    Unfortunately, yes, they should be allowed to vote.

    Sadly, this right has been exploited by the slavery class of politicians who use government assistance to chain people to government largess controlled by the politicians. These bastards should be viewed as modern day slave owners. Sadly, the next group to be exploited by the soulless pols are equally enslaved to the empty promises they have perfected.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?
    No. In fact, we should hold them in internment camps, chained to spikes driven deep in the ground, only to be fed and/or let out after they get a full-paying job AND pay back some of the tax money that we lavishly spent on them while they were choosing to sit idle.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You say there's no reasonable explanation, and then list a very reasonable explanation and then disregard it for no good reason.
    Zyph's point would highlight the folly of Jacksonian democracy, which would implicate the ability of 99% of the existing voting pool to vote.

    The upper classes institute public policies which extend their influence and power against the entity of the state, the middle class does the same but has interest in being secure from the exploitation of the upper classes, and the lower classes have interest in securing themselves from all three.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    really.............you need to read the founders.




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    THE second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


    a mixed constitution is balanced government.........democracy is not a balanced government
    That's nice, but it's not the definition of the word "republican."


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Towhich...



    Yours was an "us -v- them" argument based strictly on financial aspects where the right to vote isn't just a matter of figures on a ledger. There are many other issues that are impacted one way or another by one casting his/her vote as they see fit. Not all of them are monetary in nature. Thus, I stand by my comment (less the personal jab):



    But I still think you should rethink then adjust...
    And I think you should re-read what I wrote again and again until you can see what is actually there and is actually said. And what is actually there is not a suggestion that people in a financial bind should lose their rights.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    No. In fact, we should hold them in internment camps, chained to spikes driven deep in the ground, only to be fed and/or let out after they get a full-paying job AND pay back some of the tax money that we lavishly spent on them while they were choosing to sit idle.
    Because liberty can only happen with universal suffrage democracy, right?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Youre saying all white males who have property and work in the private sector are right wing conservatives? Puh-lease.
    You need to bone up on your reading comprehension skills. I never said that.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    That's nice, but it's not the definition of the word "republican."
    oh..sorry it is..our government was created as a republican form of government which is "mixed government".

    Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, defines a constitution in which the form of government is a combination of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy, making impossible their respective degenerations (anarchy, oligarchy and tyranny).[1] The idea was popularized during classical antiquity in order to describe the stability, the innovation and the success of the Republic as developed within the Roman Constitution. It is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers because in such a system some issues are decided by many (democracy), some other issues by few (aristocracy), and some other issues by a single person (monarchy)


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