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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Well, the thread IS about denying people the vote and you seem to support that as a means to fix the problem.

    I did not take your post out of context, nor did I sideline it.

    I remain steadfast, the vote is sacrosanct. We have talked before about the American system. It is indeed ****ed. But it can be changed.
    What I 'seemed to be supporting' in your opinion is not what I was supporting. I intend all of my posts to be considered as the full context of my argument and not a cherry picked line here and there.

    And if you believe that the sanctity of the vote makes it okay for Citizen A to be able to vote to be supported by Citizen B with no benefit whatsoever for Citizen B, well okay. I accept that as your position. But I personally have a huge problem with that. And that is what I was arguing. And I believe that is the discussion that the OP was intended to inspire.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    senators received their appointment to the senate by the state legislature.......just like you vote for your congressman he is supposed to be someone who represents you.

    the senator was picked by the state legislature, and represents them....

    he votes on how his state directs him to vote, if not he would be asked to resign, and will not be reappointed to that position....i know of no senator appointed more then twice in the 18 century.

    the senator was picked from among his own legislature, who knows the people of that legislature and the problems of the state....that is what under "mixed government" why the senate is referred to as aristocracy.

    the duty of the states is to preserve their state powers , place a check on federal power expansion by knowing and understanding the bills coming before the senate.....and to block the collective captivity of the people in the house.
    I asked for evidence that it ever worked the way you described. I assume you have only your assumptions.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    What a foolish notion. No one who is poor casts their vote on the believe that who they're voting for will someday help to make them rich! That's crazy! People don't vote that way....well, poor people don't anyway.
    This is allowed to vote.



    If anything, you could say sometimes individuals/the majority of the population will cast their vote along the lines of "self preservation" (See 2012 presidential election where federal supported health care was threatened and job creation by the Republican candidate was called into question). But the only voters who tend to throw their support firmly behind a candidate seeking long-term political favors are rich people or corporate lobbyist. No one else has such long-term lofty goals. Everyone else thinks of the "here and now" when voting.
    That's exactly the problem. People think only about here and now, and thus forget about long term consequences. They vote for welfare, even though the long term effect of the subsidization of poverty is to create more of it. They vote for social security even though the long term effect of it is to impoverish those who are currently working. It's exactly the lack of long term thinking that is the problem.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    So...you showed a graph of how the tax code has continued to increase over time. And that proves what exactly? Just how many of those tax rules apply to the poor or lower-middle class folks compared to how many were written to give a distinct tax advantage to the rich?

    Keep in mind I begrudge no one for being rich. I'm just saying the tax code wasn't written for the poor nor the middle-class. Yeah, there are a couple of bones thrown in there for the little guys, but overall the tax code is really for the rich.
    Then explain this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Heritage
    The top 10 percent of income earners paid 68 percent of all federal income taxes in 2011 (the latest year available), though they earned 45 percent of all income. The bottom 50 percent paid 3 percent of income taxes, but earned 12 percent of income.
    Top 10 Percent of Earners Paid 68 Percent of Federal Income Taxes

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is correct, because power is not divided........then power is divided it makes if more difficult for factious combinations to function.

    democracy makes it very easy for faction to operate because power is in 1 central location..Washington ....to lobby......republican government does not, because for faction to operate it must lobby in 2 places Washington and across the states.

    under the current system......faction has to lobby 435 in the house 100 in the senate, to get what it wants out of government.....under a republican system faction has to lobby 435 in the house, but 7000 in the state legislatures...across the states, making it more difficult to get what faction wants.
    And again, you show little concept for what a "republican" form of government is. You don't Get to redefine words to suit you.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I asked for evidence that it ever worked the way you described. I assume you have only your assumptions.
    again..... ask yourself a simple question...who is your congressmen supposed work for?.......answer the people in your district who put him into office..

    since the senator is put into office by the state legislature...then who does he work for?.........answer...... the state legislature.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    again..... ask yourself a simple question...who is your congressmen supposed work for?.......answer the people in your district who put him into office..

    since the senator is put into office by the state legislature...then who does he work for?.........answer...... the state legislature.
    Right, you have your own assumptions and no evidence. As I said.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    And again, you show little concept for what a "republican" form of government is. You don't Get to redefine words to suit you.
    really.............you need to read the founders.




    The Federalist No. 40

    On the Powers of the Convention to Form a Mixed Government Examined and Sustained

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    To the People of the State of New York:

    THE second point to be examined is, whether the [constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.


    a mixed constitution is balanced government.........democracy is not a balanced government

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Right, you have your own assumptions and no evidence. As I said.

    oh...who is your congressman supposed to represent?

    the people that put him into office.....or anyone he the congressman wants to.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in this country, we have a long history of recognizing that those on public assistance have a strong incentive to vote merely for increased public assistance, rather than good governance.



    I spent a couple of months on unemployment benefits. If you include EITC (which some do), I've gotten that pretty much every year I've filed taxes. I think there is some merit to the idea.
    Unemployment benefits are paid for by employers...their not freebees created by the government. In other words they there is a revenue collected to create unemployment benefits. There aren't any revenues collected other than what taxpayers contribute via their federal income tax for food stamps, subsidized housing, etc.

    But the well can run dry - and employer payments no longer meet the demands and the government has to decide if they want to use general revenue funds to keep it going.

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