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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Most of the forefathers didn't like the idea of political parties.
    How is it a consequence of political parties when both parties are doing the same thing?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Nope. You are simply taking the supremely mentally lazy approach of painting your opponents with a broad brush.
    Of course it was a broad brush, but they aren't my opponents, and there's almost always an exception for every rule, and on this issue you prove that nicely.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    No, some where concerned the majority of people would take over the government. That is not at all the issue. The wealthy have hijacked the political system. That is the issue.
    that is correct, because power is not divided........then power is divided it makes if more difficult for factious combinations to function.

    democracy makes it very easy for faction to operate because power is in 1 central location..Washington ....to lobby......republican government does not, because for faction to operate it must lobby in 2 places Washington and across the states.

    under the current system......faction has to lobby 435 in the house 100 in the senate, to get what it wants out of government.....under a republican system faction has to lobby 435 in the house, but 7000 in the state legislatures...across the states, making it more difficult to get what faction wants.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    People with little aren't the only ones voting their pocketbook. The wealthy do too. Look what the Chamber of Commerce has spent to lobby to legalize undocumented workers? They spend a lot of money for influence so business folks can get cheap labor. They sure don't have the best interest of the country only their profit margin.
    I didn't say that only the rich voting was good, but it is certainly better than letting the poor vote money for themselves. The state is a parasite on a productive economy, and a smaller franchise is able to get away with less because a government that represents less of the people will not be tolerated to intrude on the lives of many people.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How is it a consequence of political parties when both parties are doing the same thing?
    Mainly because both parties are pretty similar with only a very few differences. Instead of people discussing issues they fight about political parties which is so very true. Both major parties are controlled by money and moneyed interest. One party may throw out some crumbs in the hope that stability continues rather than political unrest.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    False.

    The Voting Rights Act of 1965 - Nay votes: Democrats-17 Republicans-2.

    Civil Rights Act of 1964 - Nay Votes: Democrats-96 (39%) Republicans- 34 (20%)

    And so on. You really need to vet your sources better, or stop reading into them "facts" that simple aren't there.
    You're not going to deny the democratic initiative of the civil rights act!!

    On June 11, 1963, President Kennedy met with the Republican leaders to discuss the legislation before his television address to the nation that evening. Two days later, Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield both voiced support for the president's bill, except for provisions guaranteeing equal access to places of public accommodations. This led to several Republican Congressmen drafting a compromise bill to be considered. On June 19, the president sent his bill to Congress as it was originally written, saying legislative action was "imperative".[9][10] The president's bill went first to the House of Representatives, where it was referred to the Judiciary Committee, chaired by Emmanuel Celler, a Democrat from New York. After a series of hearings on the bill, Celler's committee strengthened the act, adding provisions to ban racial discrimination in employment, providing greater protection to black voters, eliminating segregation in all publicly owned facilities (not just schools), and strengthening the anti-segregation clauses regarding public facilities such as lunch counters. They also added authorization for the Attorney General to file lawsuits to protect individuals against the deprivation of any rights secured by the Constitution or U.S. law. In essence, this was the controversial "Title III" that had been removed from the 1957 and 1960 Acts. Civil rights organizations pressed hard for this provision because it could be used to protect peaceful protesters and black voters from police brutality and suppression of free speech rights.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    ....and that is when we had Robber Barons. A much cheaper way for them to control the system.
    tell me, if you have corruption..which will always exist......where would you want it......on a national level or state level?

    government which is closer to the people is more responsive to the people, easier to control, and root out corruption then it is on a national level.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    that is correct, because power is not divided........then power is divided it makes if more difficult for factious combinations to function.

    democracy makes it very easy for faction to operate because power is in 1 central location..Washington ....to lobby......republican government does not, because for faction to operate it must lobby in 2 places Washington and across the states.

    under the current system......faction has to lobby 435 in the house 100 in the senate, to get what it wants out of government.....under a republican system faction has to lobby 435 in the house, but 7000 in the state legislatures...across the states, making it more difficult to get what faction wants.
    Yeah, the Robber Barons showed us

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog View Post
    Yeah, the Robber Barons showed us
    so your are going to complaint the rich and powerful control government...yet you want to do nothing about it, and continue with what we have...even though americans have been warned by the founders over 200 years ago.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Because not all issues dealing with government deal strictly with taxes. There are so many other issues that are involved that affect peoples lives whether they are welfare recipients or not. Take the NSA/Patriot Act, for example. Are you saying that a law abiding U.S. citizen who happens to be on welfare but uses a computer at a public library would not be subject to having their online activity monitored by the NSA? I think not. Remember: It's not just about personal cell phone use.

    Take the partisan, anti-government, anti-tax blinders off for a second and think this one through.
    If people did not vote for the people who voted for that act, then they might be a little more outrage about this spying being forced on them without their consent.

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