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Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This question is brought up largely because many conservatives believe people on welfare would just "vote themselves more welfare" and I don't believe that to be true.

    In some cases yes... But most people want purpose in their life and a good job can provide that and so if you're sitting on welfare and can't find a job, who do you pick?

    The people who will preserve the welfare system and claim they can also provide jobs.

    Or the people who call you a lazy leeching bum and promise to tear down your only source of income whilst seemingly giving larger and larger tax breaks to the rich?
    People will vote in their own best interest. So, yes, when it is perceived that a "safety net" that is presently helping to meet one's basic survival needs and is keeping one financially afloat (even temporarily), people do vote FOR the party they believe is willing to continue rendering aid and AGAINST those who wish to pull the plug and leave them to fend for themselves against terrible odds. THIS is what we saw as the outcome during the 2012 presidential election. Had less to do with supporting the incumbent and more to do with "Well, the other side is talking about ending the federal assistance I'm currently receiving but they've offered no alternative".

    While it is true that some people will use welfare and other federal entitlement programs as a life-time crutch, it is also true that there are far more who will only use these programs as a temporary bandaide until they're able to get back up on their feet. IMO, the only way to stop the abuse is to place comprehensive restrictions/term limits on benefits received AND make job placement/retraining part of the process. Some stated already do this, but their enforcement measures don't go far enough. Indiana, for example, does require those receiving unemployment benefits to certify that they've applied for at least 3 jobs between monthly benefits. Does the state call each potential employer to confirm that the benefit recipient has, in fact, submitted a job application with their business? I don't know. But I do know that once those benefits run out, the unemployed person is left with no other choice but to pound the pavement a little harder. But that's only one part of the solution.

    The other part is getting assistance/coaching/training to actually find a job ASAP with a salary sufficient enough to get the individual completely off the dole. This part is largely what's missing. Fix this and you're "welfare leach" problem (as some people see it) pretty much goes away.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    I agree, the CEO and board of any corporation that gets bailouts or huge tax cuts should be barred from voting.

    Or were we not supposed to talk about that welfare?


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    It's nothing to do with abuse necessarily. Why should those who have no capital to protect have a say in how the capital of a country is distributed?
    Because not all issues dealing with government deal strictly with taxes. There are so many other issues that are involved that affect peoples lives whether they are welfare recipients or not. Take the NSA/Patriot Act, for example. Are you saying that a law abiding U.S. citizen who happens to be on welfare but uses a computer at a public library would not be subject to having their online activity monitored by the NSA? I think not. Remember: It's not just about personal cell phone use.

    Take the partisan, anti-government, anti-tax blinders off for a second and think this one through.
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    since the states, no longer have a voice in the government, and cannot place a check on federal power........yes the 17th changed our form of government in a very big way.
    Changed it, but didn't make it non-republican.


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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    He didn't include Police and firemen.

    And Yes, he proposed a different type of democratic society in which one had to actually do something to earn the privileges that so many now take for granted. If your not willing to fight and risk dying for it, then you don't deserve it.
    The author? He was opposed to that.

    I also think there are prices too high to pay to save the United States. Conscription is one of them. Conscription is slavery, and I don't think that any people or nation has a right to save itself at the price of slavery for anyone, no matter what name it is called. We have had the draft for twenty years now; I think this is shameful. If a country can't save itself through the volunteer service of its own free people, then I say : Let the damned thing go down the drain!
    Oh, and this quote by him describes minarchism. I don't know if that is what he supported, but that is what it describes none the less.

    I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise. I'm sick of the way the government sticks its nose into everything, now.

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    So true. It's sad, but states only ever get more powerful and more oppressive as they age.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I agree, the CEO and board of any corporation that gets bailouts or huge tax cuts should be barred from voting.

    Or were we not supposed to talk about that welfare?
    Why do liberals think tax cuts are welfare? How in the hell is keeping more of what you earn welfare?

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Only people of Jewish descent living in Southern California should be allowed to vote.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Changed it, but didn't make it non-republican.
    the founders created a republic......in the time of the founders there is no such thing as a democratic republic..its an oxymoron to the founders...they created a "mixed government" of divided power to prevent faction from taking over and controlling government.

    however because people have been sold into the false idea democracy means liberty....the oligarchy running american government will continue.

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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Just because one finds him or herself in a financial bind doesn't mean they stop being a U.S. citizen and should no longer be allowed to participate in the political process. You're is a very ridiculous and ideological notion. Rethink then adjust...
    Maybe you should re-read what I wrote and understand what I am saying?
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    re: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The point is that those with little wealth would prefer to vote themselves more wealth, even to the detriment of the long term health of the country, even though it would be immoral.
    What a foolish notion. No one who is poor casts their vote on the believe that who they're voting for will someday help to make them rich! That's crazy! People don't vote that way....well, poor people don't anyway. If anything, you could say sometimes individuals/the majority of the population will cast their vote along the lines of "self preservation" (See 2012 presidential election where federal supported health care was threatened and job creation by the Republican candidate was called into question). But the only voters who tend to throw their support firmly behind a candidate seeking long-term political favors are rich people or corporate lobbyist. No one else has such long-term lofty goals. Everyone else thinks of the "here and now" when voting.
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