Thread: Should people on welfare be allowed to vote?[W:504]

Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog

We are doing a good job of pushing an oligarchy.

you are correct,..VERY CORRECT.....because democrat forms of government eventfully turn into oligracies, run by the rich elite.

this is able to take place because democratic forms of government have many factious combinations in them, to lobby government and create laws to benefit themselves, at the expense of the people,the states and the union... because the people are easy lead, beguiled and seduced into doing things not in their interest.

which is WHY the founders created a republican form of government, to hinder factious combinations, but the politicians have destroyed with the help of the un-education population....who have been sold the false idea democracy means liberty, which it does not.

Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog

Only a republican form of government does not hinder factious combinations. The powerful make sure they will win at any cost, and yes lots of people vote against their best interest.

yes a republican form of government does, however america as not had a republican form of government in over 100 years.

how does a republican form of government hinder factious combinations.......by dividing power, where as democracy concentrates power, and make it easy for faction to lobby and control.

in democratic forms of government factions only have to seduce/ beguile. only 1 source of power in 1 central location.

in a republican form of government faction has to seduce /beguile 2 sources of power, which are separated.......1 in Washington, and the others spread across the states.

Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan

Should they be allowed to vote while on welfare?

Why not? What felony crime have they committed by merely being on welfare/food stamps/Medicaid/federal unemployment?

Originally Posted by AlbqOwl

This is such a difficult question when it is evaluated objectively and outside of partisan propaganda, political correctness police action, and other emotion-charged responses.

I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who pay no federal taxes would have ability to vote for people who pledge to raise taxes on everybody else.

I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who are little or not at all affected by increases in property taxes have ability to vote on initiatives that will raise those taxes for property owners.

And I have long thought it extremely unfair that those who are supported by the rest of us have ability to vote for those who pledge to keep the gravy train going for those who are supported and thereby increase the burden on those of us who are footing that bill.

It is the righteous sense that those who pay the bills should be the ones to vote on how much of those bills they are willing to pay.

And that righteous sense is made very difficult weighed against the concept of one citizen, one vote.

Just because one finds him or herself in a financial bind doesn't mean they stop being a U.S. citizen and should no longer be allowed to participate in the political process. You're is a very ridiculous and ideological notion. Rethink then adjust...

Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog

Ah yes, the Gilded Ages showed us how power was divided

America achieved its greatest economic expansion in the Gilded Age...

Originally Posted by rabbitcaebannog

Ah yes, the Gilded Ages showed us how power was divided

you complain that our government has turned into an oligarchy , yet you are not for anything to stop it from happening.

the very thing you are complaining about was stated would happen it democracy ever took over america in federalist 10.......why do you complain, and then refuse to want to correct the problem?

Originally Posted by WCH

No but, when you get off welfare, please step into the booth.

A better question might be, "If you're on welfare do you always vote for a Democrat?"

Does it matter? You act as if only Democratic voters ever receive federal assistance. I know plenty of Republicans who have received food stamps, welfare, Medicaid or WIC benefits at some point in their lives. Should their right to vote be striped from them, too?

Let's not act as if this is a liberal or conservative thing. Neither one's race nor political lean matters when you're broke and can't feed yourself or your family.

Originally Posted by Fearandloathing

Amazing that it is even asked. How should economic standing and accepting the help offered justify the removal of a democratic right, THE core democratic right.

In this country a natural born Canadian cannot lose his or her right to vote for any reason, ever. Prisoners vote.

And I hold that sacrosanct

As do I in practice. But philosophically, given the gross inequities in responsibility and affect created by government, the one person, one vote concept has created a different kind of injustice. If we could restore the government to the original concept in which no special classes exist and everybody, rich and poor, provides his/her proportional share, then of course the one person one vote model is the only reasonable model.

But when he who robs Peter to pay Paul can count on support from Paul and all that . . .



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