Thread: The new argument against gay equality: Same-sex marriage kills [W:142]

Originally Posted by Paleocon

It harms the people who do it.

How?

And please be specific. I mean if it's harmful enough that you would jail people because of it, then there would have to be demonstrable harm.

Moderator's Warning:

Stop the derailing about sodomy and such and return to the thread topic.

The OP is a demonstration of religious extremism translated (an attempt) into law.

Any insights & explanations into the thought processes behind this should be considered on-topic.

Just a general opinion, posted as a return to the thread topic.

Originally Posted by Lursa

The OP is a demonstration of religious extremism translated (an attempt) into law.

Any insights & explanations into the thought processes behind this should be considered on-topic.

Just a general opinion, posted as a return to the thread topic.

He's a troll. Nothing more nothing less. And I am being absolutely serious this isn't simply a jab at Palecons character. Reading any of his arguments on any thread it becomes very obvious.

He has never engaged honestly in any discussion. He purposely frames his arguments obtusely, vaguely, and says outrageous things for the sole purpose of derailing and getting a rise out of people.

You can argue ad nauseum with him - he will never come around to substantiating his position because his goal is not real discourse.

Originally Posted by Paleocon

What does that have to do with anything?

In a free society, neither you nor the govt should have any right to tell others what to do in the bedroom any more than they should have the right to tell you how to cut your hair.
That is the realm of dictatorships.

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

You think that being gay is evil as in morally bad, right? Not as in Hitler evil?

Who would you rather have be your leader... a gay person or Hitler?

Neither, he would chose the Taliban

Originally Posted by Paleocon

Ad hominem.

There isnt any attack on you kid. Just face the fact that virgins can never be authorities on sex. As a virgin you just have no clue what is perverted in any real sense when it comes to sexual intercourse. Of course you should be able to spot a few real perversions like sexual misconduct because there are laws forbidding certain activities. But when it comes to consenting adults in privacy the government cannot have any ability to ban such liberties. If consenting adults want to **** and pee on each other, while I find that to be very disgusting and wouldnt advocate such behavior, they are adults and if thats what they chose to do, I am not in any position to object nor is the government. The rational is that opinions do not dictate liberties and freedoms. If opinions held such powers then the American people would have tore up the Constitution a long time a go.

Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll

There isnt any attack on you kid. Just face the fact that virgins can never be authorities on sex. As a virgin you just have no clue what is perverted in any real sense when it comes to sexual intercourse. Of course you should be able to spot a few real perversions like sexual misconduct because there are laws forbidding certain activities. But when it comes to consenting adults in privacy the government cannot have any ability to ban such liberties. If consenting adults want to **** and pee on each other, while I find that to be very disgusting and wouldnt advocate such behavior, they are adults and if thats what they chose to do, I am not in any position to object nor is the government. The rational is that opinions do not dictate liberties and freedoms. If opinions held such powers then the American people would have tore up the Constitution a long time a go.

I have to disagree with the start of your post. You need not have had sex to have an opinion on it. He is however unaware of what he is missing out on.
I have never had homosexual sex nor have I peed or ******* on anyone or vice versa. Just not appealing to me.
However I agree that if someone wants to engage in these activities then they have every right to as long as it is between consenting adults. Neither I nor the govt has anything to do with it.

Originally Posted by Quag

In a free society, neither you nor the govt should have any right to tell others what to do in the bedroom any more than they should have the right to tell you how to cut your hair.
That is the realm of dictatorships.

Very true but he and other posters (I can think of at least 2 others) have admitted a dictatorship would be better and not have American guided by the Constitution. Palecon has a name for it, he says it's not a theocracy but I forget the name, maybe he'll provide it. We can see what that would be like when we look at Iran or SA and the mullahs roaming the streets with sticks, stopping people and beating them for visible infractions.

I really am interested in the mindset that actually desires this type of authoritarianism in their lives.

Originally Posted by Quag

I have to disagree with the start of your post. You need not have had sex to have an opinion on it. He is however unaware of what he is missing out on.
I have never had homosexual sex nor have I peed or ******* on anyone or vice versa. Just not appealing to me.
However I agree that if someone wants to engage in these activities then they have every right to as long as it is between consenting adults. Neither I nor the govt has anything to do with it.

I suppose you are right in that context. But it really is a matter of opinion.