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Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?

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vesper said:
actually there are a couple since Colorado got into the weed business. And the number of cases of folks going to the emergency room after ingesting edibles have increased. I know of one guy who jumped to his death after eating them and another who shot his wife after eating them. Both cases are well documented on the web.
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No, there aren't. No one has overdosed and died of marijuana. You could get stoned and do something stupid and die, but not the same (since you are all about personal responsibility). And, that is the exact same as someone getting drunk and jumping to their death.

How many people have died, or had permanent medical harm after eating edibles. None

What is the toxicity for marijuana? There is none. Would love to see your data.
 
beefheart said:
I am sure it is. While you are at it, list all the people who died from overdosing on marijuana.

OK, you don't want to ban alcohol or tobacco. Products that kill people every freaking day.

Versus marijuana, which has not killed ANYONE.
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Back up the truck.,,,,beep beep beep
I stated I have grave concerns on a substance to be safe when the AMA, doctors involve in child psychiatry and doctors involved in drug addictions won't support marijuana's use for casual purposes. Are they all so very wrong and I should walk away because of your unscientific opinion? I don't think so.
 
vesper said:
Back up the truck.,,,,beep beep beep
I stated I have grave concerns on a substance to be safe when the AMA, doctors involve in child psychology and doctors involved in drug addictions won't support marijuana's use for casual purposes. Are they all so very wrong and I should walk away with your unscientific opinion? I don't think so.
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Backtracking already. How many people have died from toxicity of marijuana? NONE

How many kids accidentally ate an edible (parents personal responsibility) and died, or had permanent medical effects from it? NONE

Now...I am sure lots of kids sneaked several drinks from their parent's alcohol stash...or played with daddy's gun and killed a friend.

Hilarious how you try to demonize marijuana...but the facts are not with you, at all.
 
beefheart said:
No, there aren't. No one has overdosed and died of marijuana. You could get stoned and do something stupid and die, but not the same (since you are all about personal responsibility). And, that is the exact same as someone getting drunk and jumping to their death.

How many people have died, or had permanent medical harm after eating edibles. None

What is the toxicity for marijuana? There is none. Would love to see your data.
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Gee when someone visiting Colorado ingested some happy treats jumped to his death. .......He was a young man and evidently thought he was invincible. The guy who shot his wife had ingested some happy edibles just prior. Guess he thought he was God.
 
beefheart said:
Backtracking already. How many people have died from toxicity of marijuana? NONE

How many kids accidentally ate an edible (parents personal responsibility) and died, or had permanent medical effects from it? NONE

Now...I am sure lots of kids sneaked several drinks from their parent's alcohol stash...or played with daddy's gun and killed a friend.

Hilarious how you try to demonize marijuana...but the facts are not with you, at all.
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Question- how many have experienced halucinations from marijuana products? How many AFTER Colorado started keeping records have ended up in the hospital from ingesting happy treats? How many cases of kids at schools using vaporizers have been reported. How many kids who seem to like the treats ended up in the hospital very sick?
 
vesper said:
Gee when someone visiting Colorado ingested some happy treats jumped to his death. .......He was a young man and evidently thought he was invincible. The guy who shot his wife had ingested some happy edibles just prior. Guess he thought he was God.
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Again, you are dodging, that kind of thing happens with drunks all the time...but there is a toxic limit to which alcohol kills you. What is that limit with marijuana? NONE

So, on one case, you are all about personal responsibility, but then you aren't.

If someone gets so high, they fall off a building (which must be damned rare), it is their personal responsibility, but when someone dies from alcohol poisoning, or does something stupid from alcohol and dies (remember, alcohol is LEGAL), you don't see the equivalence, it is their personal responsibility too.

How many people die from alcohol poisoning every year?

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beefheart said:
Again, you are dodging, that kind of thing happens with drunks all the time...but there is a toxic limit to which alcohol kills you. What is that limit with marijuana? NONE

So, on one case, you are all about personal responsibility, but then you aren't.

If someone gets so high, they fall off a building (which must be damned rare), it is their personal responsibility, but when someone dies from alcohol poisoning, or does something stupid from alcohol and dies (remember, alcohol is LEGAL), you don't see the equivalence, it is their personal responsibility too.

How many people die from alcohol poisoning every year?

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And you are one of those people who want what they want and refuse to look at the data that does disprove the lie that marijuana has no risks.
 
vesper said:
Question- how many have experienced halucinations from marijuana products? How many AFTER Colorado started keeping records have ended up in the hospital from ingesting happy treats? How many cases of kids at schools using vaporizers have been reported. How many kids who seem to like the treats ended up in the hospital very sick?
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Please, tell me, I want to know the number. Or did you just say this, without any actual data?

Your kid is 136 times more likely to be poisoned by diaper cream than by weed - The Washington Post

Even drilling down to the Colorado numbers, let's recall that the most widely-cited study unearthed a grand total of 14 kids going to the E.R. for accidental marijuana ingestion between October 2009 and December 2011. That represents about 2.4 percent all ingestion-related E.R. visits for that age group over that period. While nobody wants to see a kid go to the hospital, every single one of the 14 was sent home, and "none of these exposures resulted in permanent morbidity or mortality," according to the study.
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vesper said:
And you are one of those people who want what they want and refuse to look at the data that does disprove the lie that marijuana has no risks.
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Are you one of those people who refuse to admit that no one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana? But then ignores alcohol poisoning deaths?

You make claims, but don't back them up. Just don't drink, smoke or do marijuana, I respect that. But don't make up horror stories where there is no horror.
 
vesper said:
And you are one of those people who want what they want and refuse to look at the data that does disprove the lie that marijuana has no risks.
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You should be trying to stop alcohol and tobacco, they actually kill people, and ruin families.
 
beefheart said:
Are you one of those people who refuse to admit that no one has ever died from overdosing on marijuana? But then ignores alcohol poisoning deaths?

You make claims, but don't back them up. Just don't drink, smoke or do marijuana, I respect that. But don't make up horror stories where there is no horror.
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Whose making anything up? The information from doctors and their organizations have been warning people not to fall the happy horse **** you are espousing as if marijuana has not real risks.

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In spite of government and media warnings about health risks, many people see cannabis as a harmless substance that helps you to relax and 'chill' - a drug that, unlike alcohol and cigarettes, might even be good for your physical and mental health.

On the other hand, research over the last 10 years has suggested that it can have serious consequences for people, such as the development of an enduring psychotic illness, particularly in those who are genetically vulnerable.
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Cannabis and mental health
 
vesper said:
The majority of the people in some states don't want it.
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Really? I'd like to see that come to the actual votes. Do you have links or poll data that show this? I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Maybe not this yr, but in the next 5 yrs? All would vote yes. Most intelligent people dont keep their heads in the sand no matter how good a job their grammar school did indoctrinating them differently.
 
vesper said:
As far as choosing to use marijuana of course it is a personl choice. You know cigarettes come with all sorts of warnings printed on them yet they are sold with a lot of sin taxes applied to them. Now think about that for a minute. Marijuana will be treated the same. Tax after tax increase every damn time the government needs money. Are you paying attention to what they just did to beer and wine lately? Many folks vote for sin taxes to exempt themselves from paying for the load of crap they allowed the government to extend welfare services. All those cigarette taxes are paying for child welfare programs. Better the sinner smoker pay for them instead of the asshole who insisted on expanding welfare. Better the wine and beer drinker pay for any other overbloated legislation and better for the marijuana user do the same. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana all have addicting effects. So what a perfect set up, screw the addicted one with the increase in taxes so the unaddicted one doesn't feel the pinch. What we are seeing now is people who smoke are crossing state lines to buy their cigs in another state where it is less expensive. Here in Ohio, people head to Kentucky and West Virginia to stock up after Ohio raised taxes on cigs making cigarettes over 2.00 a pak more expensive than crossing state lines and getting them cheaper. It has also caused a flourish of black market activity. Marijuana will be no different.
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Even from what you wrote here, legalizing pot sounds good! LOL
 
vesper said:
You sure do make a lot of assumptions and little facts.
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LOL You are the one that said it! I just provided some parallels LOL

vesper said:
Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?
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Lursa said:
Hell, I could say the same thing about tatoos. People often say the same thing about long hair on men.

Anti-gun people make similar ridiculous and unfounded associations with gun owners.

Totally bogus and your personal bias IMO.
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vesper said:
The AMA and several other organizations refuse to support marijuana. Now if you can blow that off with no concern that is your right. I on the otherhand see it as red flags.
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Red flags? Seriously? I dont even use pot nor plan to. But used in moderation it's better for you than a lot of other things the AMA, etc 'frown on', like sugar, transfats, cigs, hard liquor, etc.

Why the blind spot for pot? I think it's just that most people were beaten over the head with 'pot is bad!' when they were in school and cant move beyond that, even with all the facts and evidence and medical support we know today.
 
digsbe said:
Legalize it, make it available to those only over 21 and have the same laws applying to alcohol intoxication (driving, etc) also applying to marijuana.
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I agree with all of that except the age 21 part.

If the government can force an 18 year old to die for his/her country in the military, then they should let them legally smoke marijuana or drink alcohol as well.

Additionally, 18 years old is the widely accepted age of adulthood...that should include being able to legally drink alcohol and smoke pot in any state in America.
 
Lursa said:
Really? I'd like to see that come to the actual votes. Do you have links or poll data that show this? I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Maybe not this yr, but in the next 5 yrs? All would vote yes. Most intelligent people dont keep their heads in the sand no matter how good a job their grammar school did indoctrinating them differently.
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So it is an ignorant person that listens to the advice of the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine who oppose the legalization of marijuana?
 
radcen said:
I interpret the question to mean this. Legalize it federally, which would then allow the states to make their own decisions.
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vesper said:
For how long Radcen? Until the next political appointed justice comes along and says differently denying the voters of any state who wished to see it banned? We see it happening over and over again with all "social" issues. The overwhelming number of people in many states have voted to ban certain things only to have their vote taken away by some political activist judge. I don't call that freedom, do you?
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Hmm. That is a dilemma. On one hand, even if a state legalizes marijuana, it can still be punished as a crime by the federal government, while on the other hand, it could just be another instance of the federal government taking the power to make their decisions on a topic away from the states (not always a bad thing, but still not something I approve of very often). Perhaps an amendment giving state law regarding recreational drugs supremacy over federal laws about the same substance?
 
Yes, absolutely. Scrutinize just as alcohol... age limit, driving and operating under the influence etc, but yes.
 
Lursa said:
Red flags? Seriously? I dont even use pot nor plan to. But used in moderation it's better for you than a lot of other things the AMA, etc 'frown on', like sugar, transfats, cigs, hard liquor, etc.

Why the blind spot for pot? I think it's just that most people were beaten over the head with 'pot is bad!' when they were in school and cant move beyond that, even with all the facts and evidence and medical support we know today.
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If there is such a mountain of scientific evidence that shows pot to be harmless why is the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine against legalization?
 
vesper said:
If there is such a mountain of scientific evidence that shows pot to be harmless why is the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine against legalization?
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A) she did not say it was 'harmless' - at least not in the link you quoted.

B) I agree that regularly ingesting fatty, cholesterol-filled, artificially sweetened foods on a regular basis is far more harmful long term then smoking pot on a moderate basis.

C) And if alcohol is legal - which an be VERY harmful - then so should pot (which IMO, is at worst, no more harmful then alcohol at it's worst).

D) btw, I am not a fan of pot personally...makes me paranoid.
 
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