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Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?

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clownboy said:
Yeah, but that lead balloon won't float. Spice and it's variants are illegal in some states, legal in others and legal federally (or at least not illegal). The states that hold it illegal have zero recourse against the states that don't. It's simply a product, legal in some states, illegal in others, and since it's legal federally, the feds who control interstate crossings don't have a say.

People who live in dry counties bring in alcohol from other counties and the county government has no recourse against the wet counties.

This is on the states who hold the substance illegal to enforce their law.
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I guess the idea of one state even considering suing another over the amount of weed that is ending up in Kansas and Nebraska from Colorado and the price tag on trying to keep it out shows the burden it has placed on people who don't want it.
 
Risky Thicket said:
Fair question. It has been an issue just as it has previously been an issue with kids taking pills that looked like Skittles, M&Ms, Pop Rock, Reese's Pieces and the like. Those are all popular with children as well. The simple obvious answer is packaging and parental responsibility. That has been the approach for pills.

Marijuana edibles don't seem to be that popular with people who buy legal pot unless the person is visiting a state where it is legal. You probably wouldn't want to like a joint in your motel room and have it reported or set off the fire alarm. Also marijuana edibles often have varying dosages within the product. How do you make certain each cookie contains the same amount?

But your concern is valid and from what I have read the fledgling industry was quick to address the issue and possible solutions.
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It's just something 'new.' It can be handled the same as acoholic treats as well. There are plenty of candies with real booze, chocolate candy bottles with alcohol in them, rum cakes, etc. These have not developed into a problem for the alcohol industry or control, have they?

I think people are just looking for problems. Yes, there are many new roads and issues here but none particularly unusual or difficult than past ones.
 
vesper said:
I guess the idea of one state even considering suing another over the amount of weed that is ending up in Kansas and Nebraska from Colorado and the price tag on trying to keep it out shows the burden it has placed on people who don't want it.
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Shouldnt Kansas and its citizens be responsible for themselves? I mean if they vote to keep it illegal in the state then doesnt that mean that most of them wont be tempted? (Yes, this is a little facetious but there's a kernel of truth there as well).
 
Yes. Legalize it so I can stop having to hear about it every 5 minutes.
 
Yes. Get it over with already. All the rich republican kids are doing cocaine anyways and have been since age 13.
 
I don't see anything giving the federal government the power to ban self destruction.

It's a state issue, federal bans need to go bye-bye.

As for my take? Legalize and tax baby! :mrgreen:
 
vesper said:
I guess the idea of one state even considering suing another over the amount of weed that is ending up in Kansas and Nebraska from Colorado and the price tag on trying to keep it out shows the burden it has placed on people who don't want it.
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No, it's just one of those "burdens" the states have always had since they became a union of individual states. Again, some states hold some things illegal that other states allow. You want to hold something illegal, the costs of enforcing that are entirely up to you.
 
Lursa said:
Shouldnt Kansas and its citizens be responsible for themselves? I mean if they vote to keep it illegal in the state then doesnt that mean that most of them wont be tempted? (Yes, this is a little facetious but there's a kernel of truth there as well).
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Lursa from what I have read, truckloads of the stuff are being apprehended coming from Colorado. Colorado seems to have a problem with people not licensed to grow the stuff producing large quantities. I guess it is easier to get away with growing the stuff when there is so much being grown all over the place. Law enforcement in Kansas and Nebraska have seen a significant increase of the stuff (from Colorado) being sold on the streets. Their arrests are way up. It backlogs the Justice system and costs the taxpayers more money with every case tried. It also puts a burden on citizens increasing law enforcement to handle the load. While Kansas and Nebraska have seen an increase in arrests, Colorado has seen a decrease in burglaries. Less are breaking in and stealing people's flatscreens and computers to sell to get money for weed and instead are stealing a person's stash.
 
vesper said:
How do you feel about the industry of edible treats like candies, cookies etc. made with marijuana that comes with legalizing it. They seem to be real popular with the kids.
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The same I feel about alcohol. Have people show ID's when buying such things and make it illegal to sell or distribute to minors.
 
vesper said:
Lursa from what I have read, truckloads of the stuff are being apprehended coming from Colorado. Colorado seems to have a problem with people not licensed to grow the stuff producing large quantities. I guess it is easier to get away with growing the stuff when there is so much being grown all over the place. Law enforcement in Kansas and Nebraska have seen a significant increase of the stuff (from Colorado) being sold on the streets. Their arrests are way up. It backlogs the Justice system and costs the taxpayers more money with every case tried. It also puts a burden on citizens increasing law enforcement to handle the load. While Kansas and Nebraska have seen an increase in arrests, Colorado has seen a decrease in burglaries. Less are breaking in and stealing people's flatscreens and computers to sell to get money for weed and instead are stealing a person's stash.
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Do you have any links to 'truckloads' being brought across the border? But places like AZ, CA, & TX would probably say the same.

We are not having such issues here and OR and ID are not complaining.

And it seems like CO has only benefited from legalizing! It's working out pretty well here too, still ironing out wrinkles but no violence and no real problems. Things just dont seem to be moving fast enough for some people and some communities are acting like legalized pot shops in their towns would be tantamount to an alien invasion and seem to need to act like pot is something from outerspace, so unique in 'the problems it brings.' :doh
 
vesper said:
Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

The junk

And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?
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I'd question the idea that people who arrested for other crimes often have marijuana on them. And even if they did it's a logical fallacy to conclude that if all criminals smoke pot all pot smokers are criminals. I don't what your stance is on firearms but there's an obvious parallel there. Lots of crimes are committed with firearms. But the number of law abiding firearm owners so far outstrip the number of criminals who use guns to make an conclusions about firearms in general meaningless.

The issue is personal choice. The AMA and any other organization is free to speak about the bad side of marijuana or any other chemical that adults may wish to use. The decision is still with the individual.
 
vesper said:
Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

The junk

And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?
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Hell, I could say the same thing about tatoos. People often say the same thing about long hair on men.

Anti-gun people make similar ridiculous and unfounded associations with gun owners.

Totally bogus and your personal bias IMO.


(And the AMA, etc. would probably say the same if alcohol was still illegal. And about sugar and white flour and transfats. Yeah...let's all buy into that nanny state! Pot has so many more good qualities than sugar or alcohol it isnt even funny)
 
Gaius46 said:
I'd question the idea that people who arrested for other crimes often have marijuana on them. And even if they did it's a logical fallacy to conclude that if all criminals smoke pot all pot smokers are criminals. I don't what your stance is on firearms but there's an obvious parallel there. Lots of crimes are committed with firearms. But the number of law abiding firearm owners so far outstrip the number of criminals who use guns to make an conclusions about firearms in general meaningless.

The issue is personal choice. The AMA and any other organization is free to speak about the bad side of marijuana or any other chemical that adults may wish to use. The decision is still with the individual.
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As far as choosing to use marijuana of course it is a personl choice. You know cigarettes come with all sorts of warnings printed on them yet they are sold with a lot of sin taxes applied to them. Now think about that for a minute. Marijuana will be treated the same. Tax after tax increase every damn time the government needs money. Are you paying attention to what they just did to beer and wine lately? Many folks vote for sin taxes to exempt themselves from paying for the load of crap they allowed the government to extend welfare services. All those cigarette taxes are paying for child welfare programs. Better the sinner smoker pay for them instead of the asshole who insisted on expanding welfare. Better the wine and beer drinker pay for any other overbloated legislation and better for the marijuana user do the same. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana all have addicting effects. So what a perfect set up, screw the addicted one with the increase in taxes so the unaddicted one doesn't feel the pinch. What we are seeing now is people who smoke are crossing state lines to buy their cigs in another state where it is less expensive. Here in Ohio, people head to Kentucky and West Virginia to stock up after Ohio raised taxes on cigs making cigarettes over 2.00 a pak more expensive than crossing state lines and getting them cheaper. It has also caused a flourish of black market activity. Marijuana will be no different.
 
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vesper said:
For how long Radcen? Until the next political appointed justice comes along and says differently denying the voters of any state who wished to see it banned? We see it happening over and over again with all "social" issues. The overwhelming number of people in many states have voted to ban certain things only to have their vote taken away by some political activist judge. I don't call that freedom, do you?
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activist judges :lamo
 
Kobie said:
Well, a lot of these laws passed by local and/or state electorates don't pass constitutional muster. That's what the judiciary is for.
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Shhhhhhhh, don't go bring up facts when you know some will just ignore them based on fweeelings and wittle opinions
 
Lursa said:
Hell, I could say the same thing about tatoos. People often say the same thing about long hair on men.

Anti-gun people make similar ridiculous and unfounded associations with gun owners.

Totally bogus and your personal bias IMO.


(And the AMA, etc. would probably say the same if alcohol was still illegal. And about sugar and white flour and transfats. Yeah...let's all buy into that nanny state! Pot has so many more good qualities than sugar or alcohol it isnt even funny)
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You sure do make a lot of assumptions and little facts. The AMA and several other organizations refuse to support marijuana. Now if you can blow that off with no concern that is your right. I on the otherhand see it as red flags.
 
I always love the mentally retarded, illogical, hyperbolic, dishonest slippery slopes

legal abortion = the country supports murders and the rapture is coming
legal alcohol = people partaking are alcoholics that just kill people in drunk driving accidents
equal rights for gay/ up holding the constitutions = end of our country because people and the states no longer have rights and our votes are meanignless
legal weed = people who partake will never get off the couch and just play video games all day

nobody honest takes arguments like that seriously because when they do reality punches them right between the eyes and knocks sense back in them :lamo
 
vesper said:
As far as choosing to use marijuana of course it is a personl choice. You know cigarettes come with all sorts of warnings printed on them yet they are sold with a lot of sin taxes applied to them. Now think about that for a minute. Marijuana will be treated the same. Tax after tax increase every damn time the government needs money. Are you paying attention to what they just did to beer and wine lately? Many folks vote for sin taxes to exempt themselves from paying for the load of crap they allowed the government to extend welfare services. All those cigarette taxes are paying for child welfare programs. Better the sinner smoker pay for them instead of the asshole who insisted on expanding welfare. Better the wine and beer drinker pay for any other overbloated legislation and better for the marijuana user do the same. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana all have addicting effects. So what a perfect set up, screw the addicted one with the increase in taxes so the unaddicted one doesn't feel the pinch. What we are seeing now is people who smoke are crossing state lines to buy their cigs in another state where it is less expensive. Here in Ohio, people head to Kentucky and West Virginia to stock up after Ohio raised taxes on cigs making cigarettes over 2.00 a pak more expensive than crossing state lines and getting them cheaper. It has also caused a flourish of black market activity. Marijuana will be no different.
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4th time: Do you wish to outlaw alcohol and/or tobacco?

Tough question, since you won't answer it.
 
vesper said:
Lursa from what I have read, truckloads of the stuff are being apprehended coming from Colorado. Colorado seems to have a problem with people not licensed to grow the stuff producing large quantities. I guess it is easier to get away with growing the stuff when there is so much being grown all over the place. Law enforcement in Kansas and Nebraska have seen a significant increase of the stuff (from Colorado) being sold on the streets. Their arrests are way up. It backlogs the Justice system and costs the taxpayers more money with every case tried. It also puts a burden on citizens increasing law enforcement to handle the load. While Kansas and Nebraska have seen an increase in arrests, Colorado has seen a decrease in burglaries. Less are breaking in and stealing people's flatscreens and computers to sell to get money for weed and instead are stealing a person's stash.
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Truckloads?
Source, I'd like to read that.
 
vesper said:
How do you feel about the industry of edible treats like candies, cookies etc. made with marijuana that comes with legalizing it. They seem to be real popular with the kids.
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Name one person who has died from overdosing on edibles or any other marijuana product. Heck, name one person that has had permanent medical harm from it.

Come on, back up the silly hyperbole.
 
beefheart said:
4th time: Do you wish to outlaw alcohol and/or tobacco?

Tough question, since you won't answer it.
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Where the hell have I stated I would do such a thing. The answer is no. But don't deny those who get addicted to substances are the patsies to carry the burden of taxes on items that they are addicted to are designed to through sin taxes to keep the assholes who wish to expand welfare don't acutally have to pay for it. The sinner does. The one who smokes or drinks or where legal smokes pot. They use these people's addiction to fund expansion of government. And as they cast their vote to increase sin taxes to cover all those feel good pieces of legislation that provides additional funding for those feel good things, while they leave the burden on the addicted who they know they can count on to continue to pay. What a bunch of asswipes. But that is what is going on.
 
vesper said:
I'll get right on that for it is well documented on the web.
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I am sure it is. While you are at it, list all the people who died from overdosing on marijuana.

OK, you don't want to ban alcohol or tobacco. Products that kill people every freaking day.

Versus marijuana, which has not killed ANYONE.
 
beefheart said:
Name one person who has died from overdosing on edibles or any other marijuana product. Heck, name one person that has had permanent medical harm from it.

Come on, back up the silly hyperbole.
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actually there are a couple since Colorado got into the weed business. And the number of cases of folks going to the emergency room after ingesting edibles have increased. I know of one guy who jumped to his death after eating them and another who shot his wife after eating them. Both cases are well documented on the web.
 
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