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Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

Should marijuana be legalized nationwide?


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Legalize it, make it available to those only over 21 and have the same laws applying to alcohol intoxication (driving, etc) also applying to marijuana.
 
No I was in a state of intoxication/relaxation.

Same thing

Could be. There could be an emergency while I'm asleep and I not know, there could be an emergency at any given moment and I cannot "contribute". The world of hypotheticals is infinite here..

I have said many times now society has accepted that fact. Our society wants deadly cars, alcohol, pot etc.

Sure. So what? The more McDonalds I eat the fatter I become over time.

I'll say it again, our society has accepted that fact that their are going to be people that overeat and that become government dependent. Except Michelle Obama.


So since Marijuana is legalized in Colorado one would expect drug related driving fatalities to increase? Correct? Instead the opposite happened. Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows - The Washington Post

I believe with Marijuana vs alcohol, using marijuana you are in a state of just being a couch potato, not willing to do anything, let alone drive.

I have no idea what your are trying to get from me. Cars are deadly, alcohol is deadly, pot is deadly as well as all drugs and you have conceded that fact. And I will repeat one more time for you. Society has accepted the fact that all these things can be deadly but we want our cars and drugs more than the consequences of using them.

Now continue on with your rant with someone who cares.
 
Same thing



I have said many times now society has accepted that fact. Our society wants deadly cars, alcohol, pot etc.



I'll say it again, our society has accepted that fact that their are going to be people that overeat and that become government dependent. Except Michelle Obama.




I believe with Marijuana vs alcohol, using marijuana you are in a state of just being a couch potato, not willing to do anything, let alone drive.

I have no idea what your are trying to get from me. Cars are deadly, alcohol is deadly, pot is deadly as well as all drugs and you have conceded that fact. And I will repeat one more time for you. Society has accepted the fact that all these things can be deadly but we want our cars and drugs more than the consequences of using them.

Now continue on with your rant with someone who cares.

Im just wondering if you think marijuana should be legal or not.... Should marijuana be legal?
 
Im just wondering if you think marijuana should be legal or not.... Should marijuana be legal?

Society as accepted the fact that using marijuana is worth the consequences of it's effects.

Should marijuana be legal. Not only should it be legal, but it should be legal to commercially grow it. The whole process should be legal and managed no different than any other agricultural product.

A side note: Can you imagine how many more illegals this industry will employ. :)
 
Wow, nothing extreme and overreaching there. :mrgreen:

I understand you have no clue about drugs, their different effects or even the language used. A "fix" doesn't really apply to pot. Nor does the rest of your rant.

That aside, the taxpayer will always at least partially, remain on the hook for your personal behaviors legal or not if they impact anyone other than yourself, and that's almost always the case.

You are right, I don't know jack about drugs except the fact that I have seen them destroy people's lives. I've seen kids live in poverty because their parents spent the money on getting high. And more times then not those who used drugs had trouble holding onto a job. It is getting a little stale seeing people make poor choices and their poor choices cost everyone who still pays taxes.
 
You are right, I don't know jack about drugs except the fact that I have seen them destroy people's lives. I've seen kids live in poverty because their parents spent the money on getting high. And more times then not those who used drugs had trouble holding onto a job. It is getting a little stale seeing people make poor choices and their poor choices cost everyone who still pays taxes.

Should we outlaw casinos?
 
Two points.

First, hundreds of thousands of people smoke pot regularly and are upstanding, tax paying citizens. Some are even doctors, lawyers, engineers and scientists, politicians and even a couple of Presidents of the United States (though they they are former smokers). So maybe you need to get out of stereotype land every once in a while and see the real world.

Second. I'm fine with personal responsibility.

Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

The junk

And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?
 
Should we outlaw casinos?

States that allow casinos have them because the people voted for them. States that have legal marijuana are because the people voted for it. This thread is suggesting the feds make it legal for everyone. The majority of the people in some states don't want it.
 
Legalize it, make it available to those only over 21 and have the same laws applying to alcohol intoxication (driving, etc) also applying to marijuana.

How do you feel about the industry of edible treats like candies, cookies etc. made with marijuana that comes with legalizing it. They seem to be real popular with the kids.
 
States that allow casinos have them because the people voted for them. States that have legal marijuana are because the people voted for it. This thread is suggesting the feds make it legal for everyone. The majority of the people in some states don't want it.

I see where we disconnect. Just because the federal legalizes pot does not mean the individual states cannot vote to keep it illegal in their own state. In fact the legislation should be restricted in a number of ways. Importation should be disallowed and regulations should be much like those that govern alcohol.

The only way states/ votes are honored in this case is for the feds to legalize it.
 
That's precisely what he wants. Liberals have no use for state and local governments unless they can use them for shelter when they're in trouble.

That's only half true, it works the same way for conservatives. We all know that.
 
I see where we disconnect. Just because the federal legalizes pot does not mean the individual states cannot vote to keep it illegal in their own state. In fact the legislation should be restricted in a number of ways. Importation should be disallowed and regulations should be much like those that govern alcohol.

The only way states/ votes are honored in this case is for the feds to legalize it.

I'm not following you. If my state wasn't able to keep abortion out of the state, and any day it looks like the courts are going to force my state to recognize gay marriage............ States can't even keep the feds out of allowing required voter ID's. States every day are faced with things the people voted for where a political appointed Federal judge will overturn in a heartbeat.
 
I'm not following you. If my state wasn't able to keep abortion out of the state, and any day it looks like the courts are going to force my state to recognize gay marriage............ States can't even keep the feds out of allowing required voter ID's. States every day are faced with things the people voted for where a political appointed Federal judge will overturn in a heartbeat.


Both the voting and abortion, the way they were decided federally are constitutional issues. They are not analogous to this issue at discussion at all. Stick with the topic at hand and let's discuss that.

There are a number of things that are legal federally that are not legal in several individual states and localities. Alcohol and tobacco products are good examples here.

It comes down to this, if the feds have pot as illegal, the state vote gets ignored, especially if they vote to legalize. The feds still have the power to come on in and shut things down. If however, the federal congress legalizes it, states can still vote to make it illegal in their state.
 
I'm not following you. If my state wasn't able to keep abortion out of the state, and any day it looks like the courts are going to force my state to recognize gay marriage............ States can't even keep the feds out of allowing required voter ID's. States every day are faced with things the people voted for where a political appointed Federal judge will overturn in a heartbeat.

So, its no longer the United States, but one big one.

Wow, compared to the US Canadian provinces are dictatorships. Ottawa can't even tell us how to spend money on education.
 
So, its no longer the United States, but one big one.

Wow, compared to the US Canadian provinces are dictatorships. Ottawa can't even tell us how to spend money on education.

We've been moving away from the united STATES of America toward just America since Lincoln.
 
States that allow casinos have them because the people voted for them. States that have legal marijuana are because the people voted for it. This thread is suggesting the feds make it legal for everyone. The majority of the people in some states don't want it.

What happened to the big bolded font "Personal Responsibility"? :rofl
 
Both the voting and abortion, the way they were decided federally are constitutional issues. They are not analogous to this issue at discussion at all. Stick with the topic at hand and let's discuss that.

There are a number of things that are legal federally that are not legal in several individual states and localities. Alcohol and tobacco products are good examples here.

It comes down to this, if the feds have pot as illegal, the state vote gets ignored, especially if they vote to legalize. The feds still have the power to come on in and shut things down. If however, the federal congress legalizes it, states can still vote to make it illegal in their state.

And even if my state had the right to keep it illegal by vote of the people, those who do will be faced with a burden on their court system and law enforcement trying to keep the stuff out of the state costing the taxpayers a lot of money. We see it happening in Nebraska and Kansas after Colorado legalized it. It won't be long before Kansas and Nebraska will legalize it due to the expense of trying to keep it out of the state. Last I checked both states were contemplating suing Colorado for the costs they have endured trying to keep it out and blame Colorado for not being more diligent on what they are allowing to leave their state.
 
No.
It should be left to the states to decide by vote of the citizens.
But I hold that view on a lot of social things. I always thought it was wrong for the government to overturn those state votes who banned abortion and SSM even if they had civil unions in place. I don't believe a group of political appointed people in robes have the right to do that.

I have read further into your discussion of this but came back to quote this one because it had the examples.

While I dont make the same case for pot, abortion and SSM are based on discrimination against federally protected rights and that is why states cannot just vote those things away...or in. Because they are based on Constitutional rights. The majority may not impose tyranny on the minority.

So the feds arent voting away state's rights willy-nilly.
 
Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person?
And even more frequently they have alcohol in their possession or in their system.

Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records?

When is the last time you heard of cops doing drug raids on Wall Street, in banks, at country clubs? Why is it when a upper middle class person's marijuana experience referred to as "experimentation" while a black or brown person's experience with marijuana is referred to as "drug abuse"?

Do you believe that middle class white collar professionals have access to medical care providers that are more willing to provide Paxil and the like than non-white collar lower middle or lower class workers? Let me help with that answer. Oh hell yes.

Ever wondered why most of the suicidal mass murdering kids in America are overwhelmingly white? Studies indicate that there is a strong correlation to suicidal behavior and a predisposition to harm others among young people of a certain age range (it can and does happen with older people but not as much) who have taken certain types of prescription drugs and/or have previously taken the drugs. The vast majority of the drugs in question are SSRIs and SNRIs.

Ever wonder why black kids haven't usually been involved in suicidal mass murders? Because those drugs are not that often prescribed to black or brown kids.

You want dangerous drugs, really dangerous drugs? Most come with a label on them and you but them at the pharmacy. Your doctor prescribes them.

Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

I don't read about that a lot. Where are you reading that it happens so much? Does it happen? Sure. But don't see or hear about it much at all. Even then how does that have anything to do with legal pot?

And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

Who is labeling it junk science? What research have you read? The article you posted was a shotgun piece attempting to hit whatever possible. For example, it talks about teens being intellectually stunted by pot smoking. Compared to what? Alcohol? Prescription medications? How much comparatively? What does that have to do with legalizing pot for people over 21?

Marijuana addiction is a myth. Investigate that if you want to be informed.

How can medical cannabis be much less harmful, if at all harmful, compared to prescription drugs for patients with MS, cancer, Alzheimers, PTSD, chronic pain, clinical sleeplessness, Chron's Disease, or seizure disorders? In some cases cannabis can replace prescription drugs for particular issues or can supplement and/or lessen the side effects of other prescribed drugs. You don't know that because the shotgun piece you read was not in anyway objective.

And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?

I don't know that they have a blanket disapproval. I would tell you that billions of dollars that go into medical research comes from Big Pharma. That should raise a red flag. I would ask you this, with astounding research regarding the SSRIs and SNRIs and their connections to young people suicide and mass murders, why are the above organizations not only supporting the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture those drugs, but also supporting their members prescribing them?
 
And even if my state had the right to keep it illegal by vote of the people, those who do will be faced with a burden on their court system and law enforcement trying to keep the stuff out of the state costing the taxpayers a lot of money. We see it happening in Nebraska and Kansas after Colorado legalized it. It won't be long before Kansas and Nebraska will legalize it due to the expense of trying to keep it out of the state. Last I checked both states were contemplating suing Colorado for the costs they have endured trying to keep it out and blame Colorado for not being more diligent on what they are allowing to leave their state.

"Allowing to leave the state?" Are you suggesting that CO set up some kind of border stations to search vehicles/people?

Whatever happened to liberty and free will? And probable cause? Meh, in the past states had to deal with teens coming across to drink when the drinking ages were different. Good Lord, sounds like drama to me.
 
How do you feel about the industry of edible treats like candies, cookies etc. made with marijuana that comes with legalizing it. They seem to be real popular with the kids.

Fair question. It has been an issue just as it has previously been an issue with kids taking pills that looked like Skittles, M&Ms, Pop Rock, Reese's Pieces and the like. Those are all popular with children as well. The simple obvious answer is packaging and parental responsibility. That has been the approach for pills.

Marijuana edibles don't seem to be that popular with people who buy legal pot unless the person is visiting a state where it is legal. You probably wouldn't want to like a joint in your motel room and have it reported or set off the fire alarm. Also marijuana edibles often have varying dosages within the product. How do you make certain each cookie contains the same amount?

But your concern is valid and from what I have read the fledgling industry was quick to address the issue and possible solutions.
 
And even more frequently they have alcohol in their possession or in their system.



When is the last time you heard of cops doing drug raids on Wall Street, in banks, at country clubs? Why is it when a upper middle class person's marijuana experience referred to as "experimentation" while a black or brown person's experience with marijuana is referred to as "drug abuse"?

Do you believe that middle class white collar professionals have access to medical care providers that are more willing to provide Paxil and the like than non-white collar lower middle or lower class workers? Let me help with that answer. Oh hell yes.

Ever wondered why most of the suicidal mass murdering kids in America are overwhelmingly white? Studies indicate that there is a strong correlation to suicidal behavior and a predisposition to harm others among young people of a certain age range (it can and does happen with older people but not as much) who have taken certain types of prescription drugs and/or have previously taken the drugs. The vast majority of the drugs in question are SSRIs and SNRIs.

Ever wonder why black kids haven't usually been involved in suicidal mass murders? Because those drugs are not that often prescribed to black or brown kids.

You want dangerous drugs, really dangerous drugs? Most come with a label on them and you but them at the pharmacy. Your doctor prescribes them.



I don't read about that a lot. Where are you reading that it happens so much? Does it happen? Sure. But don't see or hear about it much at all. Even then how does that have anything to do with legal pot?



Who is labeling it junk science? What research have you read? The article you posted was a shotgun piece attempting to hit whatever possible. For example, it talks about teens being intellectually stunted by pot smoking. Compared to what? Alcohol? Prescription medications? How much comparatively? What does that have to do with legalizing pot for people over 21?

Marijuana addiction is a myth. Investigate that if you want to be informed.

How can medical cannabis be much less harmful, if at all harmful, compared to prescription drugs for patients with MS, cancer, Alzheimers, PTSD, chronic pain, clinical sleeplessness, Chron's Disease, or seizure disorders? In some cases cannabis can replace prescription drugs for particular issues or can supplement and/or lessen the side effects of other prescribed drugs. You don't know that because the shotgun piece you read was not in anyway objective.



I don't know that they have a blanket disapproval. I would tell you that billions of dollars that go into medical research comes from Big Pharma. That should raise a red flag. I would ask you this, with astounding research regarding the SSRIs and SNRIs and their connections to young people suicide and mass murders, why are the above organizations not only supporting the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture those drugs, but also supporting their members prescribing them?

First off, nice to see another rant other than myself.

Second, this has nothing to do with race but leave a lefty to accuse another of such. In Columbus Ohio, there are just as many whites as people of color. There is a four mile square in the middle of Columbus where the most heinous crimes occur. The folks that live there have many colors. Many times when I read about what's happening in my neck of the woods it comes from that part of town and more than not they are found in possession of marijuana.

Third. the link I posted was well documented with studies done by scientists/doctors. If you think their studies are bullcrap, you are entitled to believe whatever you want.
Apparently there have been enough studies to state that marijuana is not risk free as being portrayed by those activists that want the drug legalized.

But when major medical associations will not support legalization it should also raise a red flag. Many conclude there has not been enough thorough studies done on it to make such a claim that it is safe and harmless. Others in psychiatry are finding an association with use and disorders like schizophrenia. Now AMA has seen through clinic controlled studies, benefits of medical marijuana for certain diseases.
 
And even more frequently they have alcohol in their possession or in their system.



When is the last time you heard of cops doing drug raids on Wall Street, in banks, at country clubs? Why is it when a upper middle class person's marijuana experience referred to as "experimentation" while a black or brown person's experience with marijuana is referred to as "drug abuse"?

Do you believe that middle class white collar professionals have access to medical care providers that are more willing to provide Paxil and the like than non-white collar lower middle or lower class workers? Let me help with that answer. Oh hell yes.

Ever wondered why most of the suicidal mass murdering kids in America are overwhelmingly white? Studies indicate that there is a strong correlation to suicidal behavior and a predisposition to harm others among young people of a certain age range (it can and does happen with older people but not as much) who have taken certain types of prescription drugs and/or have previously taken the drugs. The vast majority of the drugs in question are SSRIs and SNRIs.

Ever wonder why black kids haven't usually been involved in suicidal mass murders? Because those drugs are not that often prescribed to black or brown kids.

You want dangerous drugs, really dangerous drugs? Most come with a label on them and you but them at the pharmacy. Your doctor prescribes them.



I don't read about that a lot. Where are you reading that it happens so much? Does it happen? Sure. But don't see or hear about it much at all. Even then how does that have anything to do with legal pot?



Who is labeling it junk science? What research have you read? The article you posted was a shotgun piece attempting to hit whatever possible. For example, it talks about teens being intellectually stunted by pot smoking. Compared to what? Alcohol? Prescription medications? How much comparatively? What does that have to do with legalizing pot for people over 21?

Marijuana addiction is a myth. Investigate that if you want to be informed.

How can medical cannabis be much less harmful, if at all harmful, compared to prescription drugs for patients with MS, cancer, Alzheimers, PTSD, chronic pain, clinical sleeplessness, Chron's Disease, or seizure disorders? In some cases cannabis can replace prescription drugs for particular issues or can supplement and/or lessen the side effects of other prescribed drugs. You don't know that because the shotgun piece you read was not in anyway objective.



I don't know that they have a blanket disapproval. I would tell you that billions of dollars that go into medical research comes from Big Pharma. That should raise a red flag. I would ask you this, with astounding research regarding the SSRIs and SNRIs and their connections to young people suicide and mass murders, why are the above organizations not only supporting the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture those drugs, but also supporting their members prescribing them?



Good points all, but we always leave out the legal killer of all time, tobacco. Despite warnings, laws, and restrictions, tobacco addiction is the single most chosen substance among teens 15 to 20.

Yesterday was "420" the international day of celebration of pot; here it is celebrated by about 200,000 people in the downtown core buying and selling thousands of $ of pot, smoking and eating their brains out with police protection. Do not try to make me explain how that can happen in a country where it is illegal, period.

At that celebration were lawyers, doctors and other professionals, doctors especially curious about cases where cancer has declined or gone into remission after marijuana use. It is a far superior drug for sleep than the addictive benzoids the medical profession throws at the problem, and proven successful for depression and anxiety.

However, there is an addictive factor, THC I believe ranks 27 on a scale of 30, with cigarettes, the most addictive [with chemicals to deliberately addict you] and most destructive, and costs $$$$ to get off. Marijuana can be kicked with minor withdrawal symptoms and side effects.
 
And even if my state had the right to keep it illegal by vote of the people, those who do will be faced with a burden on their court system and law enforcement trying to keep the stuff out of the state costing the taxpayers a lot of money. We see it happening in Nebraska and Kansas after Colorado legalized it. It won't be long before Kansas and Nebraska will legalize it due to the expense of trying to keep it out of the state. Last I checked both states were contemplating suing Colorado for the costs they have endured trying to keep it out and blame Colorado for not being more diligent on what they are allowing to leave their state.

Yeah, but that lead balloon won't float. Spice and it's variants are illegal in some states, legal in others and legal federally (or at least not illegal). The states that hold it illegal have zero recourse against the states that don't. It's simply a product, legal in some states, illegal in others, and since it's legal federally, the feds who control interstate crossings don't have a say.

People who live in dry counties bring in alcohol from other counties and the county government has no recourse against the wet counties.

This is on the states who hold the substance illegal to enforce their law.
 
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