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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Lursa from what I have read, truckloads of the stuff are being apprehended coming from Colorado. Colorado seems to have a problem with people not licensed to grow the stuff producing large quantities. I guess it is easier to get away with growing the stuff when there is so much being grown all over the place. Law enforcement in Kansas and Nebraska have seen a significant increase of the stuff (from Colorado) being sold on the streets. Their arrests are way up. It backlogs the Justice system and costs the taxpayers more money with every case tried. It also puts a burden on citizens increasing law enforcement to handle the load. While Kansas and Nebraska have seen an increase in arrests, Colorado has seen a decrease in burglaries. Less are breaking in and stealing people's flatscreens and computers to sell to get money for weed and instead are stealing a person's stash.
    Do you have any links to 'truckloads' being brought across the border? But places like AZ, CA, & TX would probably say the same.

    We are not having such issues here and OR and ID are not complaining.

    And it seems like CO has only benefited from legalizing! It's working out pretty well here too, still ironing out wrinkles but no violence and no real problems. Things just dont seem to be moving fast enough for some people and some communities are acting like legalized pot shops in their towns would be tantamount to an alien invasion and seem to need to act like pot is something from outerspace, so unique in 'the problems it brings.'
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

    And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

    The junk

    And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?

    I'd question the idea that people who arrested for other crimes often have marijuana on them. And even if they did it's a logical fallacy to conclude that if all criminals smoke pot all pot smokers are criminals. I don't what your stance is on firearms but there's an obvious parallel there. Lots of crimes are committed with firearms. But the number of law abiding firearm owners so far outstrip the number of criminals who use guns to make an conclusions about firearms in general meaningless.

    The issue is personal choice. The AMA and any other organization is free to speak about the bad side of marijuana or any other chemical that adults may wish to use. The decision is still with the individual.
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Am I stereotyping? Why is it so often those who are arrested for nasty criminal activity have marijuana on their person? Why is it that most these arrests occur in bad neighborhoods and the people are on assistance or have prior records? Why is it that I keep reading about people trying to sell there food stamps to buy the drug?

    And then I read about the junk science behind the push for legalization giving people the impression the drug is harmless.

    The junk

    And what does it say when the American Medical Association, the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry and the American Society of Addiction Medicine oppose the legalization of marijuana?
    Hell, I could say the same thing about tatoos. People often say the same thing about long hair on men.

    Anti-gun people make similar ridiculous and unfounded associations with gun owners.

    Totally bogus and your personal bias IMO.


    (And the AMA, etc. would probably say the same if alcohol was still illegal. And about sugar and white flour and transfats. Yeah...let's all buy into that nanny state! Pot has so many more good qualities than sugar or alcohol it isnt even funny)
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    I'd question the idea that people who arrested for other crimes often have marijuana on them. And even if they did it's a logical fallacy to conclude that if all criminals smoke pot all pot smokers are criminals. I don't what your stance is on firearms but there's an obvious parallel there. Lots of crimes are committed with firearms. But the number of law abiding firearm owners so far outstrip the number of criminals who use guns to make an conclusions about firearms in general meaningless.

    The issue is personal choice. The AMA and any other organization is free to speak about the bad side of marijuana or any other chemical that adults may wish to use. The decision is still with the individual.
    As far as choosing to use marijuana of course it is a personl choice. You know cigarettes come with all sorts of warnings printed on them yet they are sold with a lot of sin taxes applied to them. Now think about that for a minute. Marijuana will be treated the same. Tax after tax increase every damn time the government needs money. Are you paying attention to what they just did to beer and wine lately? Many folks vote for sin taxes to exempt themselves from paying for the load of crap they allowed the government to extend welfare services. All those cigarette taxes are paying for child welfare programs. Better the sinner smoker pay for them instead of the asshole who insisted on expanding welfare. Better the wine and beer drinker pay for any other overbloated legislation and better for the marijuana user do the same. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana all have addicting effects. So what a perfect set up, screw the addicted one with the increase in taxes so the unaddicted one doesn't feel the pinch. What we are seeing now is people who smoke are crossing state lines to buy their cigs in another state where it is less expensive. Here in Ohio, people head to Kentucky and West Virginia to stock up after Ohio raised taxes on cigs making cigarettes over 2.00 a pak more expensive than crossing state lines and getting them cheaper. It has also caused a flourish of black market activity. Marijuana will be no different.
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    For how long Radcen? Until the next political appointed justice comes along and says differently denying the voters of any state who wished to see it banned? We see it happening over and over again with all "social" issues. The overwhelming number of people in many states have voted to ban certain things only to have their vote taken away by some political activist judge. I don't call that freedom, do you?
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Well, a lot of these laws passed by local and/or state electorates don't pass constitutional muster. That's what the judiciary is for.
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Hell, I could say the same thing about tatoos. People often say the same thing about long hair on men.

    Anti-gun people make similar ridiculous and unfounded associations with gun owners.

    Totally bogus and your personal bias IMO.


    (And the AMA, etc. would probably say the same if alcohol was still illegal. And about sugar and white flour and transfats. Yeah...let's all buy into that nanny state! Pot has so many more good qualities than sugar or alcohol it isnt even funny)
    You sure do make a lot of assumptions and little facts. The AMA and several other organizations refuse to support marijuana. Now if you can blow that off with no concern that is your right. I on the otherhand see it as red flags.

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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    I always love the mentally retarded, illogical, hyperbolic, dishonest slippery slopes

    legal abortion = the country supports murders and the rapture is coming
    legal alcohol = people partaking are alcoholics that just kill people in drunk driving accidents
    equal rights for gay/ up holding the constitutions = end of our country because people and the states no longer have rights and our votes are meanignless
    legal weed = people who partake will never get off the couch and just play video games all day

    nobody honest takes arguments like that seriously because when they do reality punches them right between the eyes and knocks sense back in them
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    As far as choosing to use marijuana of course it is a personl choice. You know cigarettes come with all sorts of warnings printed on them yet they are sold with a lot of sin taxes applied to them. Now think about that for a minute. Marijuana will be treated the same. Tax after tax increase every damn time the government needs money. Are you paying attention to what they just did to beer and wine lately? Many folks vote for sin taxes to exempt themselves from paying for the load of crap they allowed the government to extend welfare services. All those cigarette taxes are paying for child welfare programs. Better the sinner smoker pay for them instead of the asshole who insisted on expanding welfare. Better the wine and beer drinker pay for any other overbloated legislation and better for the marijuana user do the same. Alcohol, tobacco, marijuana all have addicting effects. So what a perfect set up, screw the addicted one with the increase in taxes so the unaddicted one doesn't feel the pinch. What we are seeing now is people who smoke are crossing state lines to buy their cigs in another state where it is less expensive. Here in Ohio, people head to Kentucky and West Virginia to stock up after Ohio raised taxes on cigs making cigarettes over 2.00 a pak more expensive than crossing state lines and getting them cheaper. It has also caused a flourish of black market activity. Marijuana will be no different.
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    Re: Should Marijuana Be Legalized Nationwide?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Lursa from what I have read, truckloads of the stuff are being apprehended coming from Colorado. Colorado seems to have a problem with people not licensed to grow the stuff producing large quantities. I guess it is easier to get away with growing the stuff when there is so much being grown all over the place. Law enforcement in Kansas and Nebraska have seen a significant increase of the stuff (from Colorado) being sold on the streets. Their arrests are way up. It backlogs the Justice system and costs the taxpayers more money with every case tried. It also puts a burden on citizens increasing law enforcement to handle the load. While Kansas and Nebraska have seen an increase in arrests, Colorado has seen a decrease in burglaries. Less are breaking in and stealing people's flatscreens and computers to sell to get money for weed and instead are stealing a person's stash.
    Truckloads?
    Source, I'd like to read that.
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