View Poll Results: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

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  • Yes, a little bit.

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  • Sometimes but not always.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    People literally do that all the time. You've never heard of animals being put down?
    they are not different than a wild leopard
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    so you can kill your dog if you want ?
    He's saying he can do anything with his dogs he wants to. Someone where I live left a dog in a garage when they moved away. The dog, of course, starved to death. That makes me angry and sad for the dog. Jay thinks that's perfectly fine and would do nothing to intervene even if he could. I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    It's my belief that all animals have a spirit and a connection to the planet and to the other animals around it, including us, and so abusing that connection shows a lack of respect and understanding for all of the living creatures around us and for life in general. If you go one step further and take an animals life without showing that same respect and dignity towards it and allowing its spirit to release in a quick and meaningful way then it's my belief that it upsets the balance one death at a time and taints the remains that you would then consume or discard. Allowing something to suffer through neglect or abuse should be intolerable for most people but unfortunately it is not.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    He's saying he can do anything with his dogs he wants to. Someone where I live left a dog in a garage when they moved away. The dog, of course, starved to death. That makes me angry and sad for the dog. Jay thinks that's perfectly fine and would do nothing to intervene even if he could. I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.
    yes it is interesting.maybe they want to satisfy their cruel sides in their nature
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, it bothers you so much you don't think anything should actually be done about it.
    No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.

    Besides, you've already said that animal suffering is irrelevant to you.
    In a specific context, yes:
    OP: "Animal rights is the idea that some, or all, non-human animals are entitled to the possession of their own lives, and that their most basic interests – such as the lack of suffering – should be afforded the same consideration as similar interests of human beings."

    Me: "Animals are property - suffering is irrelevant."
    IOW, suffering is not relevant when it comes to the question of rights. Other known animal species are not sapient nor sentient at any point in their lifespan - they have no rights.

    There are, thankfully, very few people so indifferent to animal cruelty that they actually believe it should be legal.
    I would not thank the mob for enacting feel-good legislation with no rational basis that pushes their morality onto others. Personal choice is the paramount notion when it comes to behavior that does not impact the rights of any other humans.

    I may disapprove of others' words or behaviors without wanting to push my standards as law.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I honestly don't know why people like him even have dogs.
    Cause I like dogs?


    Do you need a couple of examples of things that bother me and I think no one should be doing yet should be perfectly legal?

    Smoking.
    Westboro Baptist Church assembling on the public property near funerals and holding up their hateful little signs.
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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.



    In a specific context, yes:


    IOW, suffering is not relevant when it comes to the question of rights. Other known animal species are not sapient nor sentient at any point in their lifespan - they have no rights.



    I would not thank the mob for enacting feel-good legislation with no rational basis that pushes their morality onto others. Personal choice is the paramount notion when it comes to behavior that does not impact the rights of any other humans.

    I may disapprove of others' words or behaviors without wanting to push my standards as law.
    I understand you believe all this and couldn't give a single **** about animals suffering so I don't know what you think you're trying to convince me of. I get it. I understand your position and stay the hell away from my dogs.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    No, I don't agree with moralizing laws that restrict human rights; governments should be protecting our rights to life, liberty, and property.

    When one important factor is missing, meaning if citizens are not behaving responsibly, then yes, goverment must intervene. I am all for the right to live and let live, but some should have that right revoked when it becomes clear that the person is interfering negatively with the lives and liberties of other beings.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I get it. I understand your position and stay the hell away from my dogs.

    No, you clearly don't get it, because you're saying garbage like this.

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    Re: Does the Thought of Animals Suffering Bother You?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Cause I like dogs?
    Well, I don't know you but I would not be optimistic about the quality of life any dogs have when animal suffering is of no concern to their caretaker. Anyway, time to get up so I can give my dog her medication. Totally blows your mind that I would actually buy, for my dog, meds to make her feel better, doesn't it?

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